Beterbiev turns down Kovalev offer (per Rafael)

[The Big Dunn]

GRJ-Lomachenko is the only example I can think of, but that was not voluntary... it was for a vacant title and how terrible would it have been for GRJ if Haymon didn't allow him to fufill his dream and become a champion simply because the opponent was non-Haymon?

Haymon created his own thing because the others blackballed him? Lets be real bro- how often were Haymon fighters fighting non-haymon fighters BEFORE PBC? It happened the same way it does now. It was very well-known even before PBC to "sign with Haymon and get the most money for the worst opponent," Haymon wasn't exactly throwing his guys to the wolves even before PBC.


Once again, PBC/Haymon could be great for boxing IF non-Haymon fighters were allowed to fight his boxers. And I'm not even defending TR/GBP, there's other fighters out there. Hell, start small if you have to.... Bring over some Euro's/Asians, that have nothing to do with TR, to fight your guys. Unfortunately the fact that he's being sued by TR/GBP, blackballed by them too, etc.... could of very well stemmed from the original fact that he refused to let his fighters fight certain fighters wayyy before PBC even started, and now he's trying to make boxing WWE, IMO

The GBP/TR beef that prevented fights is now Haymon's fault?

You mean like Danny Garcia and Broner and Floyd and any other Haymon advised client that fought tough fights. Oh, how quickly we forget facts when trying to paint a picture that doesn't exist.

You mean DeGale, Khan, Frampton and the other international boxers Haymon has signed? Rigo is rumored to come, Lara is Cuban, Bieterbeiev is Russian.

Herein lies the issue-they blackballed Haymon and he created his own lane. You want Haymon to capitulate to HBO. Not going to happen.

Your issue about the lack of fights amongst haymon/no haymon boxers is a fair point. What is unfair is you asking Haymon to change this now when you didn't raise this issue or ask others to change previously.

But that's the thing- is he really gonna make deals with EVERY great fighter? There is definitely great fighters who he most likely won't have- so it's creating a division down the middle where some of the best won't be able to fight some of the best and it's going to create (if not already worse) something way worse then the GBP/TR cold war.


I want to see them fight too. I refuse to believe Kovalev is at fault in that situation, it's some combination of Duva-Haymon-Stevenson/Michel

Then ask both en****** involved to rectify the situation. With all due respect, you come off as someone that was fine when Haymon-someone you do not like- was initially blackballed. Now that he is retaliating you want to find a peaceful solution to get fights you want. GTFOH with that BS.

WE can't go back and change the past. SO moving forward, yes I want Haymon fighters to be allowed on HBO and then see Non haymon fighters on PBC.

Kov is as guilty as Stevenson is-they both used their new found prominence to make money for themselves rather than fight each other.

[Jloro]

good career choice. Would you guys really want to fight that beast so early?

[King_]

The GBP/TR beef that prevented fights is now Haymon's fault?

You mean like Danny Garcia and Broner and Floyd and any other Haymon advised client that fought tough fights. Oh, how quickly we forget facts when trying to paint a picture that doesn't exist.

You mean DeGale, Khan, Frampton and the other international boxers Haymon has signed? Rigo is rumored to come, Lara is Cuban, Bieterbeiev is Russian.

Herein lies the issue-they blackballed Haymon and he created his own lane. You want Haymon to capitulate to HBO. Not going to happen.

Your issue about the lack of fights amongst haymon/no haymon boxers is a fair point. What is unfair is you asking Haymon to change this now when you didn't raise this issue or ask others to change previously.



Then ask both en****** involved to rectify the situation. With all due respect, you come off as someone that was fine when Haymon-someone you do not like- was initially blackballed. Now that he is retaliating you want to find a peaceful solution to get fights you want. GTFOH with that BS.

WE can't go back and change the past. SO moving forward, yes I want Haymon fighters to be allowed on HBO and then see Non haymon fighters on PBC.

Kov is as guilty as Stevenson is-they both used their new found prominence to make money for themselves rather than fight each other.

No, no no. I don't mean signing guys from over seas. I meant bringing guys overseas to fight his fighters, you know, to solve that non-haymon problem? I disagree with you saying I wanted Haymon blackballed before, that simply is not the case.... in MY opinion, Haymon had the whole "Haymon or die" vision since way before PBC.


But fair enough on the other stuff, we can both agree on the important things. The past is the past but for PBC to reach it's ceiling- Non-Haymon fighters need to be allowed on to fight Haymon fighters. As you said, now there's also the HBO/TR, etc problem of them blackballing him, so a solution seems unlikely any time soon. But that's why I suggested bringing guys from overseas, etc, basically the best talent not with HBO... not necessarily to just come over and sign with him- but to NOT be signed with and fight his guys. That'll be taking steps in the right direction and if we at the least see that happening, I'll stop bi**hing and then HBO is going to have to get some heat then too because Haymon would be obviously willing to let his fighters fight non-Haymon guys, so at that point if HBO eases up on their Haymon hate- both parties could possible make some progress.

[King_]

Haymon fighters need to be allowed on HBO, Non-Haymon fighters need to be allowed on PBC.


IF we get that- boxing will truly thrive and the best fights WILL get made.

[The Big Dunn]

No, no no. I don't mean signing guys from over seas. I meant bringing guys overseas to fight his fighters, you know, to solve that non-haymon problem? I disagree with you saying I wanted Haymon blackballed before, that simply is not the case.... in MY opinion, Haymon had the whole "Haymon or die" vision since way before PBC.


But fair enough on the other stuff, we can both agree on the important things. The past is the past but for PBC to reach it's ceiling- Non-Haymon fighters need to be allowed on to fight Haymon fighters. As you said, now there's also the HBO/TR, etc problem of them blackballing him, so a solution seems unlikely any time soon. But that's why I suggested bringing guys from overseas, etc, basically the best talent not with HBO... not necessarily to just come over and sign with him- but to NOT be signed with and fight his guys. That'll be taking steps in the right direction and if we at the least see that happening, I'll stop bi**hing and then HBO is going to have to get some heat then too because Haymon would be obviously willing to let his fighters fight non-Haymon guys, so at that point if HBO eases up on their Haymon hate- both parties could possible make some progress.

Obviously haymon is going to try and sign them so he can make money. I understand that shouldn't be a requirement.

I don't think you liked it-you just didn't call for HBO to put his fighters on in the same way you are chastising Haymon for not having guys on.

Yes, maybe Haymon has had a long term plan/vision. what exactly is wrong with that? I can't understand why NSB posters are so threatened by Haymon having a vision and going about making that a reality.

This I agree with. The reality is their is competition-cbs/sho and PBC want to knock HBO off their perch at the top. we all would prefer this be done by putting on better fights but obviously TV doesn't work that way. I am not against them fighting each other, I just don't like that they are using "nuclear" option. if you get what I am saying.

I understand HBO's position. SHort term-I am ok with things so long as we get walters/loma and say rigo/LSC and other good fights. Long term, after these are made, we need to get thee winners to fight.

As for the thread-Kov and Stevenson need to be fighting each other next.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

When Ioka (I think it was) turned down Gonzalez it was a duck but in this case it's just understandable or disappointing.

The double standards.

Rigo fought a much bigger Donaire with how many pro fights? Loma fought Salido with how many pro fights?

[kafkod]

Or he could simply make deals with every great fighter and form a monopoly.

Now you are lying, I never use the word duck. I said Kov moved away from the fight when he pulled out of the purse bid-something that irritates you because you are a Kov fan.

Had duva/Kov gone through with the purse bid-same as Russell/lomachenko-then the fight would've happened on PBC or Showtime and the best man would win.

See King, your real problem is Kov went out like a f@g b1tch just like you said Adonis did in 2014 and you are not man enough to call him on it. Adonis took the money from SHO, Kov from HBO.

I just want to see them fight.

You also said that Kovalev pulling out of the purse bid was cowardly.

But whatever, the difference between that and what Stevenson did in 2014 is that Kovalev/Duva didn't just walk away from the fight. They offered to negotiate with Adonis/Gym/Haymon so that it could go ahead on HBO, and who knows what concessions Stevenson might have got from Kovalev if he'd given it a try?

[WarMaidana]

damn it's too bad. But lets hope in 1 or 2 fights then beterbiev will face him

[The Hammer]

You keep struggling with the fact that that was a mandatory defense. He didn't seek out that goof like Stevenson did karpency. You also keep ignoring the fact that kovalev can only fight on hbo, purse bid is useless.

I apologize for The Big Dunn.

Poor guy is too simple-minded to understand what a mandatory is.

[icerob]

you guys need to stop with the guy is "too green" and "hes not ready yet"....Loma fought for a title at his 2nd pro fight and lost, but still went on to bigger things and became a champ.

This is the opportunity of lifetime for Beterbiev to pull off a great upset. He has nothing to lose but that 0. And getting beat by Kov is not bad thing. It will earn him respect.