Comments Thread For: The Big Lie

[The Big Dunn]

Watch the replay of the fight. Here are the facts:

• There was no apparent discussion of the injury in Manny's corner between rounds. Significant rotator cuff injuries are usually very painful. If Pacquiao had suffered one and it was preventing him from fighting, it's incredulous to believe that there would be no mention of it in the corner. Fighters complain about lesser ailments to their corners all the time.
  
• Pain aside, a significant rotator cuff injury would normally limit range of motion. Manny was throwing hard shots and there was no noticeable indication that he was incapable of full range of motion.
  
• No attention was paid to Manny's shoulder in the corner. I didn't even see ice being applied, which would be the obvious way to try to alleviate the inflammation during the fight.
  
• There were no times in the fight at which point Manny seemed to grimace in pain. Again, significant rotator cuff injuries are typically quite painful.
  
• If Manny claims he exacerbated his injury in the third round, why did the three rounds in which he threw the highest number of power punches come after the third round?
  
• Manny made no mention of an injury to Max Kellerman in the post-fight interview. Instead, he complained that he couldn't punch Floyd because Floyd refused to stand in front of him like a punching bag.

This doesn't mean there wasn't an injury of some sort, but lots of fighters enter the ring with latent and chronic injuries that prevent them from being 100% and anybody who buys the story coming out of Pacquiao's camp that he was fighting with a significant rotator cuff injury that prevented him from winning is in my opinion a fool.

The above facts are simply inconsistent with the idea that Pacquiao entered the ring with a significant injury or suffered one during the course of the fight.

Great post, probably the best one regarding the injury I've seen. greenk coming.

[IMDAZED]

what are separate en******?

And you clearly haven't read this or any other article concerning the fight, because Pacquiao had to ask permission to use the medication he was using, which meant getting in touch with both USADA and NSAC. But this happened a few weeks before the right and for whatever reason, was not mentioned in the pre-fight form.

USADA and NSAC are separate en******.

And I read the article and also statements from NSAC and USADA.

Pacquiao never told the NSAC about the injury. Regarding USADA, their CEO said:

"We had no medical information, no MRIs, no documents," said Travis Tygart, who heads the USADA. "It was not an anti-doping issue. The real question is why his camp checked `no' on the disclosure. Either they made a terrible mistake to not follow the rules or they were trying not to give information to the other side. I'm not sure there's a middle ground."

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[johnm is...]

Great post, probably the best one regarding the injury I've seen. greenk coming.

Yep. Which is why the post will be completely ignored by the you-know-who's.

[The Big Dunn]

Yep. Which is why the post will be completely ignored by the you-know-who's.

The point about not applying ice to the shoulder at any time was something I didn't even think about but really does illustrate not only was there no injury, but that Freddie, Buboy had no idea the shoulder was hurt despite Freddie claiming otherwise in the post fight presser.

Pointing out the highest punch output was after the round he claimed injury was a great point also.

He made points that all of us have missed (maybe I just didn't see the points being made).

He deserves kudos for that.

[radioraheem]

Watch the replay of the fight. Here are the facts:

• There was no apparent discussion of the injury in Manny's corner between rounds. Significant rotator cuff injuries are usually very painful. If Pacquiao had suffered one and it was preventing him from fighting, it's incredulous to believe that there would be no mention of it in the corner. Fighters complain about lesser ailments to their corners all the time.
  
• Pain aside, a significant rotator cuff injury would normally limit range of motion. Manny was throwing hard shots and there was no noticeable indication that he was incapable of full range of motion.
  
• No attention was paid to Manny's shoulder in the corner. I didn't even see ice being applied, which would be the obvious way to try to alleviate the inflammation during the fight.
  
• There were no times in the fight at which point Manny seemed to grimace in pain. Again, significant rotator cuff injuries are typically quite painful.
  
• If Manny claims he exacerbated his injury in the third round, why did the three rounds in which he threw the highest number of power punches come after the third round?
  
• Manny made no mention of an injury to Max Kellerman in the post-fight interview. Instead, he complained that he couldn't punch Floyd because Floyd refused to stand in front of him like a punching bag.

This doesn't mean there wasn't an injury of some sort, but lots of fighters enter the ring with latent and chronic injuries that prevent them from being 100% and anybody who buys the story coming out of Pacquiao's camp that he was fighting with a significant rotator cuff injury that prevented him from winning is in my opinion a fool.

The above facts are simply inconsistent with the idea that Pacquiao entered the ring with a significant injury or suffered one during the course of the fight.

[T18Z]

The point about not applying ice to the shoulder at any time was something I didn't even think about but really does illustrate not only was there no injury, but that Freddie, Buboy had no idea the shoulder was hurt despite Freddie claiming otherwise in the post fight presser.

Pointing out the highest punch output was after the round he claimed injury was a great point also.

He made points that all of us have missed (maybe I just didn't see the points being made).

He deserves kudos for that.

So we're back to you guys thinking he doesn't have an injury despite having surgery and a doctor confirming it? LOL



You know that little thing called adrenaline? It works wonders and lasts for a little bit, you should try some.

You guys honestly crack me up

[The Big Dunn]

I would give this more consideration if not for the fact Bob has used his personal connections with doctors to give Manny unnecessary medical attention before.

In 2012, Manny was ok to fight in May, when he and TR thought Floyd was going to jail in May. When the court extended that to June so he could fight in May, Bob took Manny to his daughter in laws boyfriend to get stitches for a cut from the JMM/Manny 3 fight-8 or 9 weeks before. Bob then said Manny was no longer able to fight in May 2012.

How did the ringside physician, the dr at the hospital doing the post fight analysis, and Manny's personal physician not give him stitches? Are they all that unprofessional?

Moving to the shoulder-Bob claims this happened in 2008, he said this yesterday. How did Manny's personal physician miss this injury for 7 years?

Manny is a pro athlete backed by TR. His doctor's are not of poor quality nor are the exams he gets like the rest of us. This "significant tear" went unaddressed and missed for years.

Do you really think that is possible?

So we're back to you guys thinking he doesn't have an injury despite having surgery and a doctor confirming it? LOL



You know that little thing called adrenaline? It works wonders and lasts for a little bit, you should try some.

You guys honestly crack me up

Please see my earlier post above. I would ask that you please answer.

Also, please do not say we are back to anything. Since he said it at the post fight presser I have said he and his team are lying about it.

I gave reasons why.

[b00g13man]

Watch the replay of the fight. Here are the facts:

• There was no apparent discussion of the injury in Manny's corner between rounds. Significant rotator cuff injuries are usually very painful. If Pacquiao had suffered one and it was preventing him from fighting, it's incredulous to believe that there would be no mention of it in the corner. Fighters complain about lesser ailments to their corners all the time.
  
• Pain aside, a significant rotator cuff injury would normally limit range of motion. Manny was throwing hard shots and there was no noticeable indication that he was incapable of full range of motion.
  
• No attention was paid to Manny's shoulder in the corner. I didn't even see ice being applied, which would be the obvious way to try to alleviate the inflammation during the fight.
  
• There were no times in the fight at which point Manny seemed to grimace in pain. Again, significant rotator cuff injuries are typically quite painful.
  
• If Manny claims he exacerbated his injury in the third round, why did the three rounds in which he threw the highest number of power punches come after the third round?
  
• Manny made no mention of an injury to Max Kellerman in the post-fight interview. Instead, he complained that he couldn't punch Floyd because Floyd refused to stand in front of him like a punching bag.

This doesn't mean there wasn't an injury of some sort, but lots of fighters enter the ring with latent and chronic injuries that prevent them from being 100% and anybody who buys the story coming out of Pacquiao's camp that he was fighting with a significant rotator cuff injury that prevented him from winning is in my opinion a fool.

The above facts are simply inconsistent with the idea that Pacquiao entered the ring with a significant injury or suffered one during the course of the fight.

Hit this one out of the park.

I'd expect the same people who had no issue with him refusing to take additional testing back then to understand any of this. They pretty much apply zero logic.

[MrRolltide91]

I don't get these tards. Other than the fact that Manny has no chance to win and never did, they are demanding a rematch between two past it fighters who have strung them out for six years and made over $200 million between the two of them. It's like you guys are happy rewarding bad behavior.

It's like they are screaming "I hate you Floyd. Please take my money again, and again and again"

exactly.......

[DeadLikeMe]

I wonder if the fifth part is going to be called "The Big Cry"