Why don't people get what Haymon is doing?

[arraamis]

When did cable TV become free?

Tru that ..... Comcast tries to jack-up the charges every chance they get

[Sweet Jones]

What will happen is that other promoters will freeze Haymon out. The recognized sanctioning bodies, which are world wide and not focused on the US market like Haymon and the PBC are, will stop sanctioning PBC events.

PBC is fine for those who think the world begins and ends with the US market and US fans, but unfortunately for them, it does not. Boxing is an international sport and Haymon may simply end up fragmenting the sport into the US market and the rest of the world.

And unlike some people here, I do not believe that boxing has enough fans to sustain the PBC model with the amount of money they are spending on purses. I think the audience ratings they are pulling down right now are about the best they can expect to get and while they may fluctuate up and down, you will never see 10 million people tuning in to a PBC event.

You act as though this is a new thing.

When King controlled the HW belts, he 'froze out' other promoters. Hell, Shane Mosley had to divest from a promotional company where he was (allegedly) part of the management (GBP) and sign with Top Rank AND give options to get a Pacquiao fight.

This has been the Business of Boxing 101.

The question you SHOULD be asking yourself is: why exactly should a promoter have that type of power in the first place? Why should a group whose profit margin can depend on how LITTLE he actually has to pay a fighter be the main power brokers in this sport? Why should a promoter control a fighter's career, when he has no fiduciary responsibility to them? No one can ever justify or even explain it, other than 'well, that's just how it's always been'.

That's why I don't give a fugg if Al Haymon/PBC drive all of them to the poor house. Haymon makes his money by getting his fighters THEIR money. He is, by definition (no matter how slippery), fiduciarily responsible TO his fighters. IFAICS, the PBC model is putting money in fighters pockets, and by the amount of new signings with Haymon on a weekly basis, the fighters are clearly showing what model they are voting for.

The days of the Michael Koncz type of manager being muscled by promoters that are in cahoots with a network to keep all the money can't die fast enough.

[thiefery]

You act as though this is a new thing.

When King controlled the HW belts, he 'froze out' other promoters. Hell, Shane Mosley had to divest from a promotional company where he was (allegedly) part of the management (GBP) and sign with Top Rank AND give options to get a Pacquiao fight.

This has been the Business of Boxing 101.

The question you SHOULD be asking yourself is: why exactly should a promoter have that type of power in the first place? Why should a group whose profit margin can depend on how LITTLE he actually has to pay a fighter be the main power brokers in this sport? Why should a promoter control a fighter's career, when he has no fiduciary responsibility to them? No one can ever justify or even explain it, other than 'well, that's just how it's always been'.

That's why I don't give a fugg if Al Haymon/PBC drive all of them to the poor house. Haymon makes his money by getting his fighters THEIR money. He is, by definition (no matter how slippery), fiduciarily responsible TO his fighters. IFAICS, the PBC model is putting money in fighters pockets, and by the amount of new signings with Haymon on a weekly basis, the fighters are clearly showing what model they are voting for.

The days of the Michael Koncz type of manager being muscled by promoters that are in cahoots with a network to keep all the money can't die fast enough.

Yes he's getting his fighters paid, but he setting up a new model which fighters don't need to fight legitimate opposition. Just keep that 0 and keep beating down fighters that are two weight classes below you at a catch weight higher than the limit you fight in.. PROFIT

[jas]

Haymon is the truth

It can no longer be denied

Boxing fans are never happy

Point blank

Da machine- if it wasn't the matchups, then it's the entrances,

[Beater_of_ass]

Who cares if it's at 143 they're still both top 5 and lamot is getting stripped if he loses. The people complaining about pbc will be the same ones happy about bradley vs Vargas and ggg vs Monroe

If you don't have a problem with them fighting at the weight I'm not going to change you're mind. But if you don't at least SEE the problem then therein lies the problem. How can you be the JWW champ and fight a fellow JWW champion at WW and not for the titles? Who else is worthy of a title shot? What's the point of being a champion then? The titles don't mean much anymore, but they're there for a reason.

[HAY-B]

People said Haymon won't match his fighters against one another. he does it and they still complain. They call the fights mis-matches. They say he won't work with other promoters and he does it and they are still not satisfied.
No matter what Haymon does you are going to have the same people complaining about it just because Haymon is the one doing it.
I think the PBC series has been great thus far. You have name recognition fighters facing each other on free TV. Once the fight starts you can't blame Haymon for what takes place, you have the blame the fighters.
For instance, you can't blame Haymon for the way John Molina performed against Broner. You can't call it a mis-match. You have to question Molina as to why he could not fight Broner with the same excitement and aggression he fought Mathessye (sp) with?
Thurman vs the Ghost was exciting. Porter's fight against an unknown was exciting while it lasted. Berto vs the Riverside Rocky was exciting while it lasted. Aerreola's fight against an unknown was exciting. Yeah Bika vs Stevenson was not the exciting and Campillo vs Betereiv wasn't that exciting but it ended in a KO.
What else can you ask for. we are getting prime HBO and SHOtime fights on regular TV.
We're coming up on the 5th show and you have what are arguably Haymons top 2 JWW's facing off, plus a MW title fight that is almost certain to end in a KO (don't sleep on Lee, the right hook is deadly) because both fighters have proven to be more than capable of delivering the KO blow.
The only people complaining are those that hate or are jealous of Haymon. He is doing more than any other boxing company is doing right now and the quality of fights he's putting on are better. There is no denying it.
If you look at the recent GBP and TR televised fights you can almost certainly be sure that the fighter representing the promoter putting on the card will be victorious in the fight. Now that's a mis-match.
Remember GBP cut ties with Haymon not the other way around. Jay Z had beef with haymon prior to Roc Nation getting into Boxing. But yet Haymon gets blamed for not working with them when it's really the other way around.
I think folks need to shut the f uck up and enjoy a better quality of fights on free TV regardless of who is putting the fights on.

[thiefery]

Yeah I'm complaining because some of you are comparing this thing to Duva Nbc sports network deal.. Might as well and lump in those top rank versus cards and FNF.

PBC is spending money and has an audience comparable to HBO. They work with showtime, yet how come the best fights being made is still on HBO?? PBC has the deepest stable yet hasn't put on a fight that can set this thing off.

Yes as boxing fans we should complain.. We complained when HBO kept showing the top rank round Robin.. The **** cards known as Tmt on shobox.. But let's not dare complain about this PBC deal that's out spending other cards.. Mismatches, yet are being fed sunshine.. They can't even give away tickets fast enough to sell out there cash cow DSG...

[thiefery]

People said Haymon won't match his fighters against one another. he does it and they still complain. They call the fights mis-matches. They say he won't work with other promoters and he does it and they are still not satisfied.
No matter what Haymon does you are going to have the same people complaining about it just because Haymon is the one doing it.
I think the PBC series has been great thus far. You have name recognition fighters facing each other on free TV. Once the fight starts you can't blame Haymon for what takes place, you have the blame the fighters.
For instance, you can't blame Haymon for the way John Molina performed against Broner. You can't call it a mis-match. You have to question Molina as to why he could not fight Broner with the same excitement and aggression he fought Mathessye (sp) with?
Thurman vs the Ghost was exciting. Porter's fight against an unknown was exciting while it lasted. Berto vs the Riverside Rocky was exciting while it lasted. Aerreola's fight against an unknown was exciting. Yeah Bika vs Stevenson was not the exciting and Campillo vs Betereiv wasn't that exciting but it ended in a KO.
What else can you ask for. we are getting prime HBO and SHOtime fights on regular TV.
We're coming up on the 5th show and you have what are arguably Haymons top 2 JWW's facing off, plus a MW title fight that is almost certain to end in a KO (don't sleep on Lee, the right hook is deadly) because both fighters have proven to be more than capable of delivering the KO blow.
The only people complaining are those that hate or are jealous of Haymon. He is doing more than any other boxing company is doing right now and the quality of fights he's putting on are better. There is no denying it.
If you look at the recent GBP and TR televised fights you can almost certainly be sure that the fighter representing the promoter putting on the card will be victorious in the fight. Now that's a mis-match.
Remember GBP cut ties with Haymon not the other way around. Jay Z had beef with haymon prior to Roc Nation getting into Boxing. But yet Haymon gets blamed for not working with them when it's really the other way around.
I think folks need to shut the f uck up and enjoy a better quality of fights on free TV regardless of who is putting the fights on.

Yes he's matching his fighters.. But if you think a Bika vs Stevenson or a Chavez jr- fonfara card is great, what's the point??

Let me guess, it's all good if Al signs my local groceries store bagger and gets him in the ring with Santa Cruz.. Since he's matching his fighters right??

People are ****ting on Saturday card because the headline are two champions in the same weight class fighting at a catch weight without the belts on the line but we're suppose to look the other way and just enjoy it right?

[hhs661]

Really thiefery? Did you say that when kov fought whoever his name was before Hopkins on hbo? or ggg vs monroe in the future? hell, provo was supposed to have an easy night with algieri, in turn, Bradley was supposed to have a nice little comeback/tune up vs provo.. A then 'espn' level fighter.

Did you complain then? Were we having an uproar when cotto fought Jennings or Delvin Rodriguez on hbo? Were you, as a fan, complaining about JuanMa Lopez vs Salido after Siri was there to be a stepping stone to set up a potential fight(that never happened) with gamboa? Before the end result actually happened. Or were you one of those that were agitated that Lopez/Gamboa was still marinating, as Bob put it?

[Sweet Jones]

Yes he's getting his fighters paid, but he setting up a new model which fighters don't need to fight legitimate opposition. Just keep that 0 and keep beating down fighters that are two weight classes below you at a catch weight higher than the limit you fight in.. PROFIT

That accusation precedes Haymon also. See Top Rank's management of JCC Jrs career for reference.