Comments Thread For: Kovalev vs. Pascal: No Drug Testing Agreement

[radioraheem]

That's a fair point, for some reason I thought Pascal wanted USADA only. i still feel that if the testing is equivalent why not go with VADA? The purpose of the testing is to prove both fighters are clean, and VADA has successfully separated the cheaters from the clean fighters before, so why not go with it. It's not like VADA is more expensive.

Like I said before, this is a business, and Pascal can't expect to just tell the champion what to do and have him oblige without him making countering back with something.

A couple of things don't look right to me; one being that this is the second time Jean brings this up after negotiations are done, and secondly, I feel Kovalev countered with a valid proposition.

IMO if Pascal really wants to prove both fighters are clean, he needs to negotiated in the contract and be flexible in regards to who does the testing when he's not the champ.

It's a matter of preference. It's like choosing boxing gloves.

VADA he feels is an issue because of it's strong ties with Victor Conte, who is a former infamous PED peddler. If Pascal would rather not use them, and use another equivalent, then it's all good. None of these anti-doping agencies run tests internally. So it really makes no difference. The only thing we need to know is that the agency uses a WADA-accredited lab.

One thing I do agree with is that, it should have been handled in contract before the fight was signed. Pascal really dropped the ball not doing that beforehand. So ultimately, the blame lies with him.

[radioraheem]

If Pascal is willing to pay, why not pay less for a more proven agency? We go back to that pesky conflict of interest

None of these agencies are truly more proven than the other. They all just take samples and send them to the same WADA-accredited labs for results.

[radioraheem]

Memo + no drug testing equals one guy getting knocked unconscious and one getting sent across the ring into the ropes and almost out of them altogether lol.. Kovalev better watch out..
Then with testing a boring 7-5 loss where his guy gets rocked and almost dropped late in the fight and has almost no points where he shakes the other guy up with his power at all.. Hmm... Oh and zits the size of the tips of your thumbs on his chest... Just sayin...

Allegedly Pascal is the only one doing random drug testing through a Canadian anti-doping agency.

[kafkod]

Wow I'm surprised by this comment. I just wonder how this would be received if this was Floyd or even Chavez Jr.

If what was Floyd or Chavez Jr? I don't know what you mean by that.

All I'm saying is if a boxer is willing to undergo PED testing before a fight, then that willingness is all that should be asked or expected of him. The rest is the responsibilty of promoters and regulating organisations, not the fighters themselves.

[HeroBando]

None of these agencies are truly more proven than the other. They all just take samples and send them to the same WADA-accredited labs for results.

Only Vada has proven theyd forward the results to the commission and not just the promoter that pays them, even if it means fight falls through and promoter takes a loss. Schaefer was very angry about it, so they didnt work together anymore.

Vada even busted a Conte client. Remember him?

[HeroBando]

Allegedly Pascal is the only one doing random drug testing through a Canadian anti-doping agency.

Sounds awful cozy

[kafkod]

Not if he's unwilling to pay for the test. If he was willing to pay for the test, then by all means, by default he has the right of say for what agency he wants. But he was unwilling to pay for it!

Sure it wasn't something that he signed, but if he says, hey, I'll do testing but I'm not paying for it, then you forfeit the right of what agency is chosen. It would be different if he offered to pay for it himself. But he did not.

Why should a guy forfeit any rights whatsoever for not doing something that isn't in the contract he signed? What you are saying has no validity at all, either in business law or common sense reasoning.

Kovalev made a big concession to Pascal by agreeing to the tests at all, and Pascal himself said that he would pay for them. Klimas' reason for rejecting Pascal's agency - that he wasn't going to trust an organisation he knew nothing about with his fighters blood samples in an ad hoc arrangment - was perfectly valid and understandable.

[radioraheem]

Why should a guy forfeit any rights whatsoever for not doing something that isn't in the contract he signed? What you are saying has no validity at all, either in business law or common sense reasoning.

Kovalev made a big concession to Pascal by agreeing to the tests at all, and Pascal himself said that he would pay for them. Klimas' reason for rejecting Pascal's agency - that he wasn't going to trust an organisation he knew nothing about with his fighters blood samples in an ad hoc arrangment - was perfectly valid and understandable.

Of course, being that they were no signed agreement, he doesn't have to do anything. It's Pascal's fault/mistake.

What I'm saying is that if one party is unwilling to pay for testing, they should not have any say on what agency is used for the said testing. If they have any issues with the agency being chosen, then that means they want to be so much invested into the issue that they should pay for it themselves. Being unwilling to pay is indirectly or directly showing that you don't care too much about the testing at all. That you don't really want to have anything to do with it. But yet, you want to pick and choose and be vested into it... but you don't want to pay? Makes no sense!

[kafkod]

It's a matter of preference. It's like choosing boxing gloves.

Yeah, and a world title fight can come close being cancelled on the night over the choice of boxing gloves, as we all know.

[radioraheem]

Only Vada has proven theyd forward the results to the commission and not just the promoter that pays them, even if it means fight falls through and promoter takes a loss. Schaefer was very angry about it, so they didnt work together anymore.

Vada even busted a Conte client. Remember him?

VADA too has failed in the past to forward results (Peterson). They knew for many weeks that he tested positive and didn't forward results to Commission until very last minute.

Schaefer couldn't salvage the fight and GB lost a lot of money. For this same reason Duva also doesn't want random drug testing, because of the risk of money.