Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[SplitSecond]

The saddest part about the whole situation is that some don't even want to acknowledge that Marquez had to compromise who he was as a fighter because he knew he was never going to get a decision. Yet they continuously run at the mouth, talkin' about how Marquez was bloodied and what not. Other than a different demeanor, meaner punch, the rest of Marquez' attributes were diminished, ALL should have played in favor of Pacquiao and sadly, for those who still cry about it, it didn't.

dopey comment coming from a mayweather stan

firstly, marquez is a counter-puncher, and he went out as a counter-puncher vs pacquiao

but against mayweather he was the aggressor, cutting the ring off on floyd at points and combo'ing him coming forward, you think this is more marquez?

[Doctor_Tenma]

slow doesn't mean worse, he was slower because he was far stronger, at some point you have to give up speed for power, if he was faster he wouldn't have been the ox he was on the night, pacquiao couldn't even put the guy on his ass without tripping him, marquez was like a tank in there, and although the weights tightened him up he was alot more explosive

what resulted in the punishment was pacquiao's new strategy, he imployed a potshotting strategy, he spammed the left lead, which never missed marquez if you've watched the series, marquez can't handle that tactic followed with the speed, same reason bradley and mayweather beat him, difference is pacquiao likes to fight too much, and made the worst mistake of all, feeding marquez the familiar fient fient, 1-2, but his aggression also allowed him to beat marquez up more than the others

In Marquez' case it means exactly that, his style is dependent on being able to find the right positioning to set shop, feint and counter in time. In fact the punishment he took against Pacquiao is a testament to that being true.

You think that version of Marquez would have been as competitive against Bradley? I'm not even sure he reaches the final bell against Mayweather, Floyd would have had a field day, landing more at will than he did in '09. Lets be serious for once here.

[John Barron]

Another sign of roids/PED use is a reddish glow in the face and oily skin/hair. Look it up, signs of steroid use. Do you notice it in the 1st pic?

first understand how lighting works before you make any assumptions lol.

[Biolink]

Marquez had never come in that bulky before. For someone that's been fighting at that level for so long you don't want to be trying out too many new things, especially packing on muscle like Marquez did, because it can mess up your form and timing. Especially a fighter that relies on precision like Marquez. It was a risky gamble to gain muscle and strength, and it paid it off.

[Doctor_Tenma]

dopey comment coming from a mayweather stan

firstly, marquez is a counter-puncher, and he went out as a counter-puncher vs pacquiao

but against mayweather he was the aggressor, cutting the ring off on floyd at points and combo'ing him coming forward, you think this is more marquez?

Of course Marquez was out of his element against Mayweather, who the heck is denying that? The issue is, Marquez fought within his element against Pacquiao, competed very well and should have came out victorious twice prior to the 4th fight in my opinion. Marquez didn't have to compromise anything realistically speaking but was forced to because again, he knew he wasn't gonna get a decision. How is that difficult to comprehend?

[Divine Hammer]

In Marquez' case it means exactly that, his style is dependent on being able to find the right positioning to set shop, feint and counter in time. In fact the punishment he took against Pacquiao is a testament to that being true.

You think that version of Marquez would have been as competitive against Bradley? I'm not even sure he reaches the final bell against Mayweather, Floyd would have had a field day, landing more at will than he did in '09. Lets be serious for once here.

how is it worse when he got the KO and a knockdown too???? that was part of his plan going into the 4th fight you dunce. his focus was on getting the KO, so he sacrificed speed for MORE POWER and it worked. it didn't matter to marquez that he had to go through hell if it meant getting that KO because he knew that he was packing enough power that he needed only one clean shot. he knew that being a lot sharper and quicker than he has in his previous fights (especially against mayweather) wasn't going to work.

how can you say a marquez who had to jump up two weight divisions for the first time and without a proper person to "condition" him is better than a marquez who had a couple of fights at 140 and one fight at 147 PLUS angel heredia to properly give him the right "nutrition" and "conditioning"????

[Strategic1]

first understand how lighting works before you make any assumptions lol.

I've seen a number of photos from that press conference... and i've compared it to previous photos of JMM in other press conferences/weigh in's...It doesn't compare.

He has the oily hair and forehead...(also looks a little darker ..reddish? than normal) that he didn't have in other weigh ins... I challenge you to look at the photos and compare it to his other fights.

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Ok ...he had an oily or sweaty forehead during the Pac-JMM 3 press conference too.

[SplitSecond]

In Marquez' case it means exactly that, his style is dependent on being able to find the right positioning to set shop, feint and counter in time. In fact the punishment he took against Pacquiao is a testament to that being true.

You think that version of Marquez would have been as competitive against Bradley? I'm not even sure he reaches the final bell against Mayweather, Floyd would have had a field day, landing more at will than he did in '09. Lets be serious for once here.

lol, he wasn't so slow that he can't defend himself or hit anyone and lol again @ you thinking that's the only reason pacquiao was touching him up

as to the second paragraph i dont know, he was a tapered off version vs bradley, the pacquiao marquez maybe gets a kd and wins he fight?

and i again i dont know how he'd have done against mayweather, he landed some overhands on mayweather, even one mayweather ran into(although not face first) maybe with his new explosiveness something happens

[SplitSecond]

Of course Marquez was out of his element against Mayweather, who the heck is denying that? The issue is, Marquez fought within his element against Pacquiao, competed very well and should have came out victorious twice prior to the 4th fight in my opinion. Marquez didn't have to compromise anything realistically speaking but was forced to because again, he knew he wasn't gonna get a decision. How is that difficult to comprehend?

again dopey arguement, if he changed, it's because of his opponent, he couldn't beat him clearly, if you think marquez clearly beat pacquiao atleast twice before the 4th fight


and in the end he's a counter-puncher and he went out as a counter-puncher, not chasing and cutting off the ring against someone

[SplitSecond]

how is it worse when he got the KO and a knockdown too???? that was part of his plan going into the 4th fight you dunce. his focus was on getting the KO, so he sacrificed speed for MORE POWER and it worked. it didn't matter to marquez that he had to go through hell if it meant getting that KO because he knew that he was packing enough power that he needed only one clean shot. he knew that being a lot sharper and quicker than he has in his previous fights (especially against mayweather) wasn't going to work.

how can you say a marquez who had to jump up two weight divisions for the first time and without a proper person to "condition" him is better than a marquez who had a couple of fights at 140 and one fight at 147 PLUS angel heredia to properly give him the right "nutrition" and "conditioning"????

all those abs and muscles are just for show, he went through a bodybuilding routine dont you know that? it wasn't functional muscle, he had a steroid chem.... i mean strength & conditioning coach, surely no way is that better than drinking piss, tossing rocks and showing up fat on fight night