Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[-PBP-]

Take nothing away from Judah and Chop though. That's good offensive boxing 101. Blind his vision with the lead hand to set up your straights.

Manny is a great fighter. He will land the straight numerous times in this fight as well.

[KRITKL]

I hope Floyd learned his lesson and not try to repeat these same reckless mistakes against, Manny:


This is the kind of reckless mistake that Floyd can't afford to make against, Manny. He did used the lead hand measure, but instead of stepping back like JMM did in that other gif or quickly ducking his head under to avoid the straight left hand after the lead hand measure had done its job to alerted him, he simply tried to roll with the punch with his head in the air and paid the price. I really hope he learns his ****ing lesson and fix this terrible habit or he might get KTFO against, Pacquiao. As soon as the southpaw tries to push down to parry or punch over your lead hand with his lead hand, that should instantly alerts you to quickly step back out of range or duck under the straight left. Floyd is a great fighter who has all the intangibles to beat a lot of fighters, but sometimes he just make things harder on himself than they have to be.


Lead hand measure down, stood flat on his feet without getting out of range or ducking his head under, and he paid the price. He can't afford to standstill and let Manny set up his 1-2-1 attack. Either move out of range or duck under the straight left. Don't stand there with your chin up high in the air begging for the straight left to find the target. I'd advise him to just keep the lead hand measure up throughout the fight to anticipate Manny on the way in and when Manny tries to throw over the top of it, parry it down, or trying to get on the inside of it to get the leverage to set up his 1-2-1 or sometimes a lead straight left offense, just simply side-step out of punching range to make him miss altogether or quickly duck your head under and tie him up. The lead hand can be used as a warning system. As soon as it gets touch, you know something is coming, and you have three options, step out of range to make him miss all his punches, duck your head under to slip under the straight left hand, or just standstill with your chin up and eat the straight left.



I'd advise him to fight with his lead hand measure on Manny's face all night: This tactic can completely nullify an opponent's offense and slowing the pace of a fight. The more you keep it pawing it on your opponent's face to set up your offense, the harder it will get for your opponent to get his offense forward. He'll either try to use his own lead hand to parry down your lead to shoot his power punch, side step to another angle to regain his frontal vision and get out of your lead hand range, or he can try to rush through it and risk getting caught with a quick jab or power straight punch on the way in.

Good breakdown.
I'm expecting both guys to bring their A game.
Can't wait.

[bigjavi973]

I can see floyd walking pac down at some point. That doesn't mean I think floyd is gonna beat manny but why is it hard to believe floyd will walk pac down? Rios, bradley, Etc. Did it to manny Between some rounds so I don't see why floyd can't.

And when I mean floyd walking pac down, I don't mean floyd is gonna be walking pac down (margarito style to Cotto 1) I meant floyd is gonna be the aggressor and come foward while manny goes on the defensive and move around and throw.

I never said floyd can't walk him down. It's more on what they're saying how floyd walked zab down the rest of the fight, that he'll do it to pacquiao. I just don't see floyd doing that for the 6 or 7 remaining rounds to pacquiao the way he did it with zab.

[bigjavi973]

You can't turn Floyd....that's impossible.

Really? Judah and Corley turned floyd.

[KRITKL]

Really? Judah and Corley turned floyd.

Just taking the piss out of Floyd's fans.

[aihki]

I hope Floyd learned his lesson and not try to repeat these same reckless mistakes against, Manny:

The problem is once you are doing it all your life, it's already his instinct reaction and it's hard to break it especially when he is pressured. he will be eating that left in triple digits if fight comes rd12.

[aihki]

I've never liked the Maidana hype here but the difference is Maidana possessed the jab to back Mayweather up, that coupled with an overhand right with the kind of arch to get over Mayweather's shoulder. In applying both those tools Maidana used his physicality to keep Mayweather cornered, use his free hand if need be, get dirty as well.

Does Pacquiao possess that kind of physicality? No. Is he dirty? No. Does he have a good enough jab to find the same success? No offense, no. Is it in him to work the free hand? I rarely ever see that with Pacquiao.

I'd never rule Pacquiao out but people need to get real.

Did Maidana win? no.

[Carpe Diem]

Here's a side-by-side comparison of Floyd and Marquez. One thing we can quickly notice is that they both had their lead hand up to anticipated/measured their respective attacks, but the difference was that, Marquez quickly recognized that he had to quickly duck under or step out of range, and he chose to used the lead hand to anticipated the attack, then instantly stepped out of range to countered Manny on the way in. He not only nullified Manny's forward aggression altogether, but made him paid by simply stepping out of his punching range and set up his own counter punches that caught Manny on the way in.





In Floyd's case, the only thing he did right was that he used his lead hand to anticipated the attack the same way Marquez did, but he still stood there flat-footed with his chin up and took the straight left flush on his face.



Floyd could've simply do this in that gif against Corley:

or
Do what Marquez did by simply stepping out of range and make the whole 1-2 attack miss altogether, but he chose to stood there and tried to rolled with the straight left hand with his chin up in the air. This type of mistake cannot be repeated against, Manny. Manny is going to look to set up their straight left all night. He'll throw the lead left or set up the 1-2-1. Floyd needs to be very defensively responsible and make the right defensive adjustments. The lead hand can be used a a warning system. As soon as your opponent tries to parry it down to get through with his own lead hand or trying to move on the inside of your lead hand to sneak in a lead straight left or 1-2 attack. You simply have three legit options.

1.) Side step out of range and make him miss altogether.

2.) Duck your head under to slip under the straight left.

3.) Standstill right in front of your opponent with your head/chin up and eat a straight left.

After all these sparring sessions against southpaws, i don't understand how a defensively responsible fighter like Floyd can afford to want to repeat option #3.

[Boxfan7819]

I think good sparring partners for Pac would be Bradley, Andrade, Lara and Khan.

Good for May would be Porter, Garcia, Martirosyan, possibly Thurman

Best sparring partner for pac would rigondeaux his slick defense and quickness would be perfect

[KRITKL]

Here's a side-by-side comparison of Floyd and Marquez. One thing we can quickly notice is that they both had their lead hand up to anticipated/measured their respective attacks, but the difference was that, Marquez quickly recognized that he had to quickly duck under or step out of range, and he chose to used the lead hand to anticipated the attack, then instantly stepped out of range to countered Manny on the way in. He not only nullified Manny's forward aggression altogether, but made him paid by simply stepping out of his punching range and set up his own counter punches that caught Manny on the way in.





In Floyd's case, the only thing he did right was that he used his lead hand to anticipated the attack the same way Marquez did, but he still stood there flat-footed with his chin up and took the straight left flush on his face.



Floyd could've simply do this in that gif against Corley:

or
Do what Marquez did by simply stepping out of range and make the whole 1-2 attack miss altogether, but he chose to stood there and tried to rolled with the straight left hand with his chin up in the air. This type of mistake cannot be repeated against, Manny. Manny is going to look to set up their straight left all night. He'll throw the lead left or set up the 1-2-1. Floyd needs to be very defensively responsible and make the right defensive adjustments. The lead hand can be used a a warning system. As soon as your opponent tries to parry it down to get through with his own lead hand or trying to move on the inside of your lead hand to sneak in a lead straight left or 1-2 attack. You simply have three legit options.

1.) Side step out of range and make him miss altogether.

2.) Duck your head under to slip under the straight left.

3.) Standstill right in front of your opponent with your head/chin up and eat a straight left.

After all these sparring sessions against southpaws, i don't understand how a defensively responsible fighter like Floyd can afford to want to repeat option #3.

Again, another great breakdown.
I'm sure Floyd will be ready for this or adjust very quickly once a couple land.
Pac is going to have to be ready for that and have other ways of landing his left once it happens.