Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[Johnwoo8686]

No that is NOT ring generalship!
What did Canelo say about Lara?
What did Garcia say about Peterson during the first 6 or so rounds?
They had Canelo and Garcia clearly frustrated but the judges wanted to see more punches thrown back. Peterson did in some rounds but again, the judges didn't see it that way. No credit given!

The point is, if Peterson was Floyd and Floyd had done what Peterson did, not more, the Vegas judges would NOT have had the scoring 5-1 and 6-0 for Garcia. It more than likely would have been 4-2 or 5-1 for Floyd. Maidana who was clearly the effective aggressor, fight went his way, had the better harder punches against Floyd in the first 6 rounds BUT was losing 4-2 by the Vegas judges!

Kenny did his job if your name is Floyd or the fans of Floyd. No hard warnings means that Floyd can continue to do so and Floyd did!!! See Manny fight and Maidana fight for examples of this. With Maidana, Bayless went straight for the deduction of points for elbowing. For Floyd just a warning "keep it clean" ..... but like I said, that is all Kenny does and Floyd knows it and for Floyd, it worked as planned!!!

Yes it is ring generalship. Do you really believe you know more than the judges? Do you believe you know more than the world champions who saw the fight live and were part of the announce team? You bring up two close fights that could have gone either way and point to the aggressor winning. Many people thought Peterson and Lara were robbed blind. One was a majority decision win and the other was a split decision win. Mayweather Pacquiao was UNANIMOUS! Peterson and Lara barely outlanded their opposition while Floyd outlanded Manny by a decent margin. Thats one difference you want to ignore.

Ring generalship is controlling the pace of the fight. Freddie Roach said he wanted a fast start from Manny. After the fight Manny said it was Floyd's movement which caused him to throw such a low number. If your opponent is keeping you from doing what you want to do, HE is the ring general. Do you even watch boxing or just a handful of fighters? Because you don't know what you're talking about.

[ADP02]

Yes it is ring generalship. Do you really believe you know more than the judges? Do you believe you know more than the world champions who saw the fight live and were part of the announce team? You bring up two close fights that could have gone either way and point to the aggressor winning. Many people thought Peterson and Lara were robbed blind. One was a majority decision win and the other was a split decision win. Mayweather Pacquiao was UNANIMOUS! Peterson and Lara barely outlanded their opposition while Floyd outlanded Manny by a decent margin. Thats one difference you want to ignore.

Ring generalship is controlling the pace of the fight. Freddie Roach said he wanted a fast start from Manny. After the fight Manny said it was Floyd's movement which caused him to throw such a low number. If your opponent is keeping you from doing what you want to do, HE is the ring general. Do you even watch boxing or just a handful of fighters? Because you don't know what you're talking about.

I explained it to you. They will not see it that way if someone else does similar to Floyd. Peterson and Lara were moving but that was not enough even if they got the occasional jab in or punch in and even thought the opponent did very little and looked frustrated. Manny was not even frustrated. He expected and fought it tactically intentionally. Sure, he didn't like the fouls by Floyd though. Sure he didn't want to be hugged when he was attacking Floyd. Sure, he didn't want to be put into a head lock when attacking. Sure, he didn't want Floyd to bend down below the waist or when Floyd would push off or be ready to push off during an attack or possible counter attack by Manny.

2 close fights? Peterson got no credit for his movement during the first 6 rounds. 5-1 and 6-0 scoring for Garcia. Peterson got credit only when he put on some leather on Garcia.

No, you don't know what you are talking about. You think that movement alone is ring generalship. It is not. I gave you examples of fighters that did just that and were not credited the way you expected them to be because their names were not Floyd and the fight was not in Vegas.
Be honest. If Floyd fought exactly like Peterson, you think the Vegas judges would have had the scores for Garcia 5-1 and 6-0? NO!!!


As for what Manny said, its funny that you bring up "selective words" but do not bring up the rest of what Manny said. Manny said that he thought that he won. That he was doing enough. So there was no need to put more pressure or to change his game plan. He also thought that the injury didn't help things. Also, as I said before, often Floyd resorted on fouls when Manny attacked.




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[Johnwoo8686]

I explained it to you. They will not see it that way if someone else does similar to Floyd. Peterson and Lara were moving but that was not enough even if they got the occasional jab in or punch in and even thought the opponent did very little and looked frustrated. Manny was not even frustrated. He expected and fought it tactically intentionally. Sure, he didn't like the fouls by Floyd though. Sure he didn't want to be hugged when he was attacking Floyd. Sure, he didn't want to be put into a head lock when attacking. Sure, he didn't want Floyd to bend down below the waist or when Floyd would push off or be ready to push off during an attack or possible counter attack by Manny.

2 close fights? Peterson got no credit for his movement during the first 6 rounds. 5-1 and 6-0 scoring for Garcia. Peterson got credit only when he put on some leather on Garcia.

No, you don't know what you are talking about. You think that movement alone is ring generalship. It is not. I gave you examples of fighters that did just that and were not credited the way you expected them to be because their names were not Floyd and the fight was not in Vegas.
Be honest. If Floyd fought exactly like Peterson, you think the Vegas judges would have had the scores for Garcia 5-1 and 6-0? NO!!!


As for what Manny said, its funny that you bring up "selective words" but do not bring up the rest of what Manny said. Manny said that he thought that he won. That he was doing enough. So there was no need to put more pressure or to change his game plan. He also thought that the injury didn't help things. Also, as I said before, often Floyd resorted on fouls when Manny attacked.




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You used examples of fights that were closer than Mayweather Pacquiao so they were poor examples. And Peterson got a draw on one scorecard and five rounds on the other. Lara won on one scorecard so your examples are piss poor. But like I said those guys barely outlanded their opponent which is probably why they lost. I never said movement ALONE is ring generalship, stop twisting my words. Floyd's movement was enough to make Manny miss most of his punches while Lara's and Petersons movement was barely enough. Again, Lara and Peterson are poor examples because they barely outlanded their opponents and they still won in many people's eyes.
You're acting as if Garcia won by a huge margin... lol he didn't, it was razor close. The difference between Floyd and those guys (Lara, Peterson) is that he landed more consistently and avoided more shots which is why he won and they didn't.

And besides, Manny is getting laughed at by other fighters when he claims that he really won.

[boxingfan91]

Pacquiao lost, get over it. Even if u think he won the decision is not getting overturned. Why havent mods closed this thread?

[b00g13man]

You used examples of fights that were closer than Mayweather Pacquiao so they were poor examples. And Peterson got a draw on one scorecard and five rounds on the other. Lara won on one scorecard so your examples are piss poor. But like I said those guys barely outlanded their opponent which is probably why they lost. I never said movement ALONE is ring generalship, stop twisting my words. Floyd's movement was enough to make Manny miss most of his punches while Lara's and Petersons movement was barely enough. Again, Lara and Peterson are poor examples because they barely outlanded their opponents and they still won in many people's eyes.
You're acting as if Garcia won by a huge margin... lol he didn't, it was razor close. The difference between Floyd and those guys (Lara, Peterson) is that he landed more consistently and avoided more shots which is why he won and they didn't.

And besides, Manny is getting laughed at by other fighters when he claims that he really won.

This fool doesn't know a damn thing about boxing. It's not worth your while.

[ADP02]

You used examples of fights that were closer than Mayweather Pacquiao so they were poor examples. And Peterson got a draw on one scorecard and five rounds on the other. Lara won on one scorecard so your examples are piss poor. But like I said those guys barely outlanded their opponent which is probably why they lost. I never said movement ALONE is ring generalship, stop twisting my words. Floyd's movement was enough to make Manny miss most of his punches while Lara's and Petersons movement was barely enough. Again, Lara and Peterson are poor examples because they barely outlanded their opponents and they still won in many people's eyes.
You're acting as if Garcia won by a huge margin... lol he didn't, it was razor close. The difference between Floyd and those guys (Lara, Peterson) is that he landed more consistently and avoided more shots which is why he won and they didn't.

And besides, Manny is getting laughed at by other fighters when he claims that he really won.

Close fight? I explained it to you but it appears that I need to explain it further. My examples were good. You just do not want to understand or something.

Again, do NOT look at the scores of the entire fight. Peterson was using movement and making Garcia frustrated in the first 6 rounds or so. Peterson and Garcia did little but Peterson thought that his movement, defense and offensive output was enough and expected to get credit for it. Well, due to his movement, it definitely brought down Garcia's output to almost nothing but the judges still gave the aggressor Garcia credit and NO credit for Peterson. NONE.

Again, to be extra super duper clear, I am talking about the first 6 rounds. Get it? Look below. Now that you are seeing it with your own eyes, did Peterson get any credit from the judges? NO! Watch the fight if you have to. Be honest. If that was FLoyd doing the exact same thing, would you think the Vegas judges would have given Garcia 5-1 or 6-0 and Floyd would get no credit? NO WAY!!!





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[ADP02]

Jesus Christ are you dense. Yes you do get credit for movement especially if your movement is keeping your opponent from opening up as often a he wants to. Manny even said Floyd's movement was the reason that he wasn't more offensive. That is called RING GENERALSHIP. If Floyd's movement caused Manny to miss or stop throwing punches that makes Floyd the ring general and the better one defensively. Which is probably why the judges, commentators, and ring side judges all saw Floyd winning. You Pacquiao fans now want to make up your own rules because the guy you wanted to win lost.

I never said movement ALONE is ring generalship, stop twisting my words. .

I was going by the first post above. You kept on saying that it was Floyds movement and then you said "That is called[B] RING GENERALSHIP"


If you want to clarify what you said no problem but that is what you said in that post.

[radioraheem]

Close fight? I explained it to you but it appears that I need to explain it further. My examples were good. You just do not want to understand or something.

Again, do NOT look at the scores of the entire fight. Peterson was using movement and making Garcia frustrated in the first 6 rounds or so. Peterson and Garcia did little but Peterson thought that his movement, defense and offensive output was enough and expected to get credit for it. Well, due to his movement, it definitely brought down Garcia's output to almost nothing but the judges still gave the aggressor Garcia credit and NO credit for Peterson. NONE.

Again, to be extra super duper clear, I am talking about the first 6 rounds. Get it? Look below. Now that you are seeing it with your own eyes, did Peterson get any credit from the judges? NO! Watch the fight if you have to. Be honest. If that was FLoyd doing the exact same thing, would you think the Vegas judges would have given Garcia 5-1 or 6-0 and Floyd would get no credit? NO WAY!!!



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Mayweather and Peterson do not fight alike and did not move alike in their respective fights. The Vegas judges, who also have more ring experience than the NY judges, SAW the difference clearly. And everyone else did too. Well, except for a few still in denial like you.

[ADP02]

Mayweather and Peterson do not fight alike and did not move alike in their respective fights. The Vegas judges, who also have more ring experience than the NY judges, SAW the difference clearly. And everyone else did too. Well, except for a few still in denial like you.

No 2 fights are alike.

The point is that the poster was saying that movement gave the opponent trouble in hitting Floyd and that is why Floyd should get credit for ring generalship. I gave good examples of others using movement and in Peterson's case, he got no credit for it as I showed with the judges scorecards.

Be honest.
If Floyd did exactly what Peterson did, you think the Vegas judges would give Garcia 5-1 and 6-0 scores in those first 6 rounds?
You guys keep on avoiding the question because YOU KNOW THE ANSWER!
No way would the Vegas judges put Floyd in a 5-1 and 6-0 hole!




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[Robbie Barrett]