Comments Thread For: Bradley's Trainer on Mayweather: Credibility at Stake!

[torosboxing75]

Time to step up, Floyd. Legacy at stake. I'm sure a 60/40 split works for Arum and Pacquiao. They might even be pushed down to 37, 38%. That's around 100 mill for Money May and a ton of dough for Pac too. It's a no-brainer.

If Pacquiao's exposure to the Chinese market brings in additional PPV revenue - 48 million watched his last fight in that country - they might want a better deal. If 10 million in China watch this bout, even if it's for $5 per PPV, that brings in $50 million plus a huge advertising revenue stream. Something to consider.

It's encouraging that Moonves is now apparently talking to Haymon. More than perhaps anyone, Haymon holds the keys to getting this made.

Great post

[Daddy T]

Floyd trying to get out of the fight by giving an unrealistically low ball figure.

offers of 110 mill for him and 80 mil for pac on the table ... so he insists on pac earning less than 40 mil... smh

it reminds me a lot of what fifty said before, Floyd is very concerned with what the opponent is making and doesn't like to think of anyone making big bucks off him.

[Deevel916]

This his how I see it.

If Floyd is TRULY serious about making this fight happen on May 2nd then Arum needs to stop with this whole "poaching on a Mexican holiday" talk and make it happen. Now if Floyd is saying he wants to fight on May 2nd but has all these ridiculous demands and is trying to lowball Pac for the richest fight in the history of the sport, then that's a different story. Saying you want to fight and negotiating in good faith are 2 different things. 60/40 split and osdt for both fighters.

On the other hand there is another highly anticipated fight on the horizon. Cotto/Canelo. Now my theory is that Arum is trying to make Cotto/Canelo on May 2nd because it will maximize profits being that it will be 2 latin fighters fighting on a latin/Mexican holiday whereas Pacquiao/Floyd will be HUGE and break all records regardless of what month or date its held on. Neither fighter is Mexican and having this fight take place on a Mexican holiday wouldn't make a difference.

[boxingfocus]

The next person who talks about Floyd hand picking his opponent should taste test the business end of a sawed off Mossberg and put themselves out of they misery. Everybody wanted him to fight maidana before the 1st fight when it was between Kahn or maidana. Floyd put up a poll that amir won, but since folks b1tched so hard he disregarded the poll and fought maidana anyway. His last 4 fights have been exactly the opponent that y'all picked. Some of yall need to stop acting like y'all signed up on boxing scene yesterday when y'all's a $$ been around for at least his last 6 fights.

Floyd hand picks his opponents.

Everybody wanted him to fight Maidana? Bull. Maidana beat a guy jumping 2 weight divisions whose best win was a tight decision over Paulie Mallignaggi. Recently enough, Maidana had been beaten easily by Devon Alexander and also by Khan. Guys who weren't Floyd fans or Maidana fans and know anything about boxing were saying, "Sheesh, that's an easy win for Floyd."

Maidana came to fight and gave it a good go, but was beaten by a comfortable margin. Yet he gets a rematch? I mean, c'mon. Talk about a soft choice of opponent... rematching a guy you beat by 4 points on the average scorecard... because he didn't roll over!

Opponents since De La Hoya / Hatton (the last stellar year in Floyd's career IMHO) are:

Handpicked - Juan Manuel Marquez in 2009; dragged him up 2 weight classes, didn't bother trying to make the contractual weight. It was a comeback fight but he was just so much longer than Marquez who was fleshy and touting drinking his own piss going in to the fight. Few thought that Marquez, a skilled techinician and counter puncher, would be able to somehow overcome the speed and physical disadvantages.

Worthy - Shane Mosley in 2010; following his highlight real kayos over sluggers Margarito and Mayorga, this was an appealing fight for the fans. However he'd already been outboxed by Cotto and Forrest, not to mention shown as too small at 154 (indeed Mayorga and Margs were career welters). Sugar Shane was also well past his prime, but he'd shown he was still a dangerous and powerful puncher.

Handpicked - Victor Ortiz in 2011; most famous for his quitting against Maidana, a draw against Lamont Peterson at light welter exposed his vulnerabilities as well as a dramatic fight in his only outing at welterweight. Ortiz was regarded as strong and explosive but technically flawed, especially defensively. His dramatic victory over then-undefeated Berto made the fight sellable, but Ortiz had twice climbed off the canvas.

So far, including Hatton, his 3 of last 4 opponents had a sum total of 2 fights at welterweight.

Worthy - Miguel Cotto in 2012; when Mayweather retired in 2007, many said it was to avoid the then undefeated Cotto. Since then his aura of invincibility was shredded by stoppages at the hands of Margarito and Pacquiao, albeit he'd rebuilt himself at 154lbs including avenging the Margarito loss - though the Mexican was damaged goods following a beating at the hands of Pacquiao, and was coming on strong when the doctor stopped the fight due to a swollen eye.

Handpicked - Robert Guerrero in 2012; having jumped up 2 weight classes to seek this fight, he'd beaten an unbeaten* Aydin and also brawled his way past Berto**. With an unofficial defeat to Salido and the majority of his career spent at 126/130, few boxing insiders thought Guerrero stood a chance with the build up to the fight dominated by the antics of the fighters' fathers.

* albeit with few notable names on his resume

** I actually thought Berto won that fight and the ref let Guerrero use his head as a weapon

Worthy - Saul Alvarez in 2013; fans were divided on Canelo at this point. Many felt he was overly hyped but equally as many believed in him. He had fared well against many experienced and technically skilled boxers though most were much smaller than him, and again he had a signficant weight advantage against Floyd. This was the kind of challenge that many frustrated fight fans wanted to see Mayweather take on, even if Alvarez was a bit green. It could not have been foreseen that Canelo's corner were so inept as to not even tell him he needed a stoppage late in the fight. On paper it was competitive with many pundits thinking Alvarez had the size to impose himself on the aging Mayweather, albeit in reality Mayweather made easy work of the naive Mexican youngster who seemed to treat the fight as a sparring session instead of digging deep to take the fight to Floyd.

Mixed - Maidana I; I want to say handpicked, I really do. This was a guy already comprehensively beaten by Devon Alexander and Khan. However, he was the type of rough fighter that Mayweather had typically not fought often if at all. Maidana had proven he was prepared to take shots to land shots and that was a trait of very few Mayweather opponents - perhaps Emmanuel Augustus being the only guy to truly be in that bracket. With Maidana's dramatic victory over a game Broner - himself having jumped 2 weight classes and only just edging Paulie Malignaggi - Floyd had a way to sell a fight that he would have been supremely confident of winning.

Handpicked - Maidana II; if you take Maidana fans out of the equation, the verdict in the first fight was unaminous - it was a comfortable Mayweather win despite the Argentinian turning in perhaps a career best performance. The rematch was just Floyd cashing in. There were some weak narratives to drag out (Floyd's legs gone etc) but almost nobody expected a change in outcome. It was basically a worse version of the first fight. Maidana got hit less but threw less as a consequence.

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So by my count, I make that 3 worthy opponents since 2007 for "The Best Ever" - which, I think, makes a mockery of Floyd's status as the P4P #1 fighter. To justify your P4P #1 status, you really need to be fighting quality opponents. In no other sport could the #1 be so choosey over who his opponents are.

[The Big Dunn]

This his how I see it.

If Floyd is TRULY serious about making this fight happen on May 2nd then Arum needs to stop with this whole "poaching on a Mexican holiday" talk and make it happen. Now if Floyd is saying he wants to fight on May 2nd but has all these ridiculous demands and is trying to lowball Pac for the richest fight in the history of the sport, then that's a different story. Saying you want to fight and negotiating in good faith are 2 different things. 60/40 split and osdt for both fighters.

On the other hand there is another highly anticipated fight on the horizon. Cotto/Canelo. Now my theory is that Arum is trying to make Cotto/Canelo on May 2nd because it will maximize profits being that it will be 2 latin fighters fighting on a latin/Mexican holiday whereas Pacquiao/Floyd will be HUGE and break all records regardless of what month or date its held on. Neither fighter is Mexican and having this fight take place on a Mexican holiday wouldn't make a difference.

for someone who says he doesn't care about what a fighter makes and money isn't important and doesn't define legacy, why do you include a caveat regarding Manny's purse for this fight? Manny may not get everything he wants this go around and he should still fight if he doesn't.

I agree with your 2nd paragraph. you clearly see Arum's is trying to maximize revenues for he and his business partners on another fight and is using the Floyd v many fight as leverage.

[jas]

If it doesn't happen there's gonna be huge backlash

PAC Vargas will do 100,000 homes

Floyd khan or Floyd Garcia will do under half a million

[Deevel916]

for someone who says he doesn't care about what a fighter makes and money isn't important and doesn't define legacy, why do you include a caveat regarding Manny's purse for this fight? Manny may not get everything he wants this go around and he should still fight if he doesn't.

I agree with your 2nd paragraph. you clearly see Arum's is trying to maximize revenues for he and his business partners on another fight and is using the Floyd v many fight as leverage.

And I don't care how much money a fighter makes as it makes no difference in my life what so ever, but if lowballing Pacquiao and making demands that will surely kill this fight is what Floyd is doing, then everyone loses because nobody will get to witness history. Negotiate in good faith or just come out and say that you don't want the fight. No need for posing and trying to win P.R battles thru the media or via social media instead of in the ring.

[Deevel916]

Floyd hand picks his opponents.

Everybody wanted him to fight Maidana? Bull. Maidana beat a guy jumping 2 weight divisions whose best win was a tight decision over Paulie Mallignaggi. Recently enough, Maidana had been beaten easily by Devon Alexander and also by Khan. Guys who weren't Floyd fans or Maidana fans and know anything about boxing were saying, "Sheesh, that's an easy win for Floyd."

Maidana came to fight and gave it a good go, but was beaten by a comfortable margin. Yet he gets a rematch? I mean, c'mon. Talk about a soft choice of opponent... rematching a guy you beat by 4 points on the average scorecard... because he didn't roll over!

Opponents since De La Hoya / Hatton (the last stellar year in Floyd's career IMHO) are:

Handpicked - Juan Manuel Marquez in 2009; dragged him up 2 weight classes, didn't bother trying to make the contractual weight. It was a comeback fight but he was just so much longer than Marquez who was fleshy and touting drinking his own piss going in to the fight. Few thought that Marquez, a skilled techinician and counter puncher, would be able to somehow overcome the speed and physical disadvantages.

Worthy - Shane Mosley in 2010; following his highlight real kayos over sluggers Margarito and Mayorga, this was an appealing fight for the fans. However he'd already been outboxed by Cotto and Forrest, not to mention shown as too small at 154 (indeed Mayorga and Margs were career welters). Sugar Shane was also well past his prime, but he'd shown he was still a dangerous and powerful puncher.

Handpicked - Victor Ortiz in 2011; most famous for his quitting against Maidana, a draw against Lamont Peterson at light welter exposed his vulnerabilities as well as a dramatic fight in his only outing at welterweight. Ortiz was regarded as strong and explosive but technically flawed, especially defensively. His dramatic victory over then-undefeated Berto made the fight sellable, but Ortiz had twice climbed off the canvas.

So far, including Hatton, his 3 of last 4 opponents had a sum total of 2 fights at welterweight.

Worthy - Miguel Cotto in 2012; when Mayweather retired in 2007, many said it was to avoid the then undefeated Cotto. Since then his aura of invincibility was shredded by stoppages at the hands of Margarito and Pacquiao, albeit he'd rebuilt himself at 154lbs including avenging the Margarito loss - though the Mexican was damaged goods following a beating at the hands of Pacquiao, and was coming on strong when the doctor stopped the fight due to a swollen eye.

Handpicked - Robert Guerrero in 2012; having jumped up 2 weight classes to seek this fight, he'd beaten an unbeaten* Aydin and also brawled his way past Berto**. With an unofficial defeat to Salido and the majority of his career spent at 126/130, few boxing insiders thought Guerrero stood a chance with the build up to the fight dominated by the antics of the fighters' fathers.

* albeit with few notable names on his resume

** I actually thought Berto won that fight and the ref let Guerrero use his head as a weapon

Worthy - Saul Alvarez in 2013; fans were divided on Canelo at this point. Many felt he was overly hyped but equally as many believed in him. He had fared well against many experienced and technically skilled boxers though most were much smaller than him, and again he had a signficant weight advantage against Floyd. This was the kind of challenge that many frustrated fight fans wanted to see Mayweather take on, even if Alvarez was a bit green. It could not have been foreseen that Canelo's corner were so inept as to not even tell him he needed a stoppage late in the fight. On paper it was competitive with many pundits thinking Alvarez had the size to impose himself on the aging Mayweather, albeit in reality Mayweather made easy work of the naive Mexican youngster who seemed to treat the fight as a sparring session instead of digging deep to take the fight to Floyd.

Mixed - Maidana I; I want to say handpicked, I really do. This was a guy already comprehensively beaten by Devon Alexander and Khan. However, he was the type of rough fighter that Mayweather had typically not fought often if at all. Maidana had proven he was prepared to take shots to land shots and that was a trait very few Mayweather opponents lacked - perhaps Emmanuel Augustus being the only guy to truly be in that bracket. With Maidana's dramatic victory over a game Broner - himself having jumped 2 weight classes and only just edging Paulie Malignaggi - Floyd had a way to sell a fight that he would have been supremely confident of winning.

Handpicked - Maidana II; if you take Maidana fans out of the equation, the verdict in the first fight was unaminous - it was a comfortable Mayweather win despite the Argentinian turning in perhaps a career best performance. The rematch was just Floyd cashing in. There were some weak narratives to drag out (Floyd's legs gone etc) but almost nobody expected a change in outcome. It was basically a worse version of the first fight. Maidana got hit less but threw less as a consequence.

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So by my count, I make that 3 worthy opponents since 2007 for "The Best Ever" - which, I think, makes a mockery of Floyd's status as the P4P #1 fighter. To justify your P4P #1 status, you really need to be fighting quality opponents. In no other sport could the #1 be so choosey over who his opponents are.

Spot on......

[The Big Dunn]

And I don't care how much money a fighter makes as it makes no difference in my life what so ever, but if lowballing Pacquiao and making demands that will surely kill this fight is what Floyd is doing, then everyone loses because nobody will get to witness history. Negotiate in good faith or just come out and say that you don't want the fight. No need for posing and trying to win P.R battles thru the media or via social media instead of in the ring.

While you make a fair point, your continued use of the word lowball shows you have an opinion on how much Manny's purse is for the fight, which is in direct conflict with the opinions you expressed. Just because Manny doesn't get what he wants financially doesn't mean negotiations are not in good faith.

Come on Deveel916, you are giving Manny/Bob an excuse if they again refuse to take the fight and you are using the same thing you claim not to care about.

Come on man!!

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

1.Arum is not Canelo's promoter. Arum does not give 2 shiets about him.
2. Dela Hoya, Canelo's promoter, stated Canelo Cotto could be moved if Pac-May happens in May 2nd.
3. Canelo is adamant (look up that word) of reclaiming the mexican dates with or without Cotto.
4. Pac-May will sell and break records and the date don't matter.
5. Still, to go up against a Canelo fight on the same cinco de mayo date is a foolish business move as some ppv revenues will certainly shift to Canelo.
6. May 2 is no magic number because Pac had many blockbuster ppvs on other dates.
7. Floyd is being Hitlerian with all the demands and you Flowmos support him unquestionably.