Comments: CBS/showtime lost $16M on Floyd v Maidana

[bigjavi973]

You give us your numbers.

Mayweather-Guerrero:
875k buys @ $75 = $65,625,000
Floyd's Guar: 32 MIL..... Guerrero's Guar: 3 MIL

Mayweather-Canelo:
2.2 MIL buys @ $75 = $165 MIL
Floyd's guar: 41.5 MIL..... Canelo's guar: 12 MIL

Mayweather-Maidana 1:
850k buys @ $75 = $63,750,000
Floyd's guar: 32 MIL..... Maidana's guar: 1.5 MIL

Mayweather-Maidana 2:
?900k? @ $75 = $67.5 MIL
Floyd's guar: 32MIL..... Maidana's guar: 3 MIL

Total PPV buys: 4,825,000
Total money generated from ppv = $361,875,000
Total Guarranteed money paid out to fighters = $157 MIL

Money left over after purses: $204,875,000

Now those are just the mayweather fights. You have take in account fees, payouts to refs and judges, payouts to the "set up crew" (the ones who set up music, the ring, etc. etc.), payouts to the undercard fighters (including the ones that are not shown on tv). I just don't see how the numbers would add up that they are not losing money.

[Jsmooth9876]

This thread is so pointless...$16 million dollars? CBS will make that back in advertising during The BiG **** episode this week lol.
With a $32 million guarantee it had to be expected that not nearly all his fights would profit. One fight with Manny and its a win by miles...
If the fight doesn't happen in May then that's it, it's over and will never happen.

[Jsmooth9876]

They should tell us how much money Stephen Espinoza has sent over to team Haymon for mismatch after mismatch this year alone. Thats the guy that should be getting canned ASAP...he buys fights on the hope that other fights get made in the future..guess what....they haven't...Haymon wins again..

[bigjavi973]

Pac v Algeri was boring. An ESPN fighter who was there for Arums money grab.

And Pac is no longer electric

actually they were fighting for the whole 12 rounds while floydie landed ONE PUNCH while running for dear life in his last fight

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Hahaha ppv numbers go back to mattering again. Just another day at NSB.

Hahaha the guys who excuse everything floyd does because he's "da cash cow" loses money when he fights HAHAHAH

[Bullrider]

Common sense question:

If you live outside of the US who would you rather want to see,
the electrifying Pacquiao or the boring Mayweather?

Exactly.

A lot of people don't even know who TBE is. They know Tyson.

[Robbie Barrett]

Mayweather-Guerrero:
875k buys @ $75 = $65,625,000
Floyd's Guar: 32 MIL..... Guerrero's Guar: 3 MIL

Mayweather-Canelo:
2.2 MIL buys @ $75 = $165 MIL
Floyd's guar: 41.5 MIL..... Canelo's guar: 12 MIL

Mayweather-Maidana 1:
850k buys @ $75 = $63,750,000
Floyd's guar: 32 MIL..... Maidana's guar: 1.5 MIL

Mayweather-Maidana 2:
?900k? @ $75 = $67.5 MIL
Floyd's guar: 32MIL..... Maidana's guar: 3 MIL

Total PPV buys: 4,825,000
Total money generated from ppv = $361,875,000
Total Guarranteed money paid out to fighters = $157 MIL

Money left over after purses: $204,875,000

Now those are just the mayweather fights. You have take in account fees, payouts to refs and judges, payouts to the "set up crew" (the ones who set up music, the ring, etc. etc.), payouts to the undercard fighters (including the ones that are not shown on tv). I just don't see how the numbers would add up that they are not losing money.

You think that would come to 200 mil? They'd go bankrupt putting on non-ppv cards if it cost 50 mil to put them on.

You also forgot to add the gates. Which would probably add $40 mil+

[bigjavi973]

You think that would come to 200 mil? They'd go bankrupt putting on non-ppv cards if it cost 50 mil to put them on.

You also forgot to add the gates. Which would probably add $40 mil+

"numbers dont lie doe"

I did not include gate, just like I didn't include the network taking 50%, site fees, other fees, other fighters purses etc etc etc

Its called common sense

[Bullrider]

I don't even know where they get all those fraudulent numbers

There were no official numbers in the Guerrero and Maidana 1 and 2 fights. Espinoza finally announced Showtime is no longer releasing any number. Which just says to me that even the 2.2 million claim was a fraud.

These loses are nothing new. Reports also came out about CBS losing millions in the Guerrero fight. They're just only surfacing now possibly because they are too significant to ignore.

[mrpain81]

I'm not sure about that, but you must be on dope if you don't think a lot of marketing costs go into making these fights and it is coming out of Showtimes pocket not some cable company. They get half because they can, what else is Floyd or anyone going to do put on TV... oh wait, they can't unless they pay these people a portion lol.

The cable systems are in on the deal; that’s their price tag for carrying a certain amount of weight on the local and regional level. They are going to run commercials for the event, and sometimes the promotional materials can be provided by the promoter, although often the cable people will put together their own, because they may have certain special promotions they will do in association with the event.

sider.com/columns/business-of-boxing-how-does-the-pay-per-view-deal-work/

The cable companies don't run PPV commercials out of charity, they do it because the more it sells the more they make.

Showtime produces the 24/7 or all access and do pay for part of the promotion, but they make it back with around 5% after a certain amount of buys

HBO or Showtime may be left with as little as 5-10 percent of the total. But that doesn't mean the money isn't relevant for the channels or their parent companies.

"Usually, if there's a large boxing event, it will be sufficient to be mentioned on a quarterly conference call and be sufficient to add a noticeable incremental earnings amount," said James Goss, vice president and senior investment analyst at Barrington Research. "It can have an impact that way."

HBO and SHO don't really make any money on PPV, they get their brand out and then get the replay so that gets people to subscribe.

I'll wait for that link because I know that's bull**** lol. You think 16,000 people stay at the MGM after a fight or even one of their properties? Yes, they raise hotel prices here in Vegas but you think it's going to offset the millions they would make at the gate? They don't raise the prices for a hotel stay by $1000, they raise it maybe 40 or 50 dollars it isn't a huge amount. Also when you buy tickets they sell them in packages with food and a hotel stay. That's what the casino pays a site fee for. They pay you a fee to host the fight there and they say oh, by the way keep all the proceeds from the gate... that doesn't even make logical sense man. Pay to the host fight, give the fighter the gate and we hope that 16,000 people earn us 10 million or more in a night, that's just comical.

MGM Resorts International owns a bunch of a casinos on the strip. When there is a big fight the whole city fills up, it is in their best interest to keep Vegas packed.

Here is the links to the four wall deals that you obviously don't know anything about since you are usually making shit up.

In the past, a fight like this from Golden Boy most likely would have landed in a Las Vegas ballroom (Schaefer says of this, “I just want to be clear; we never had any site deal, site fee, in Las Vegas and that is the truth. We basically get a four-wall deal in Las Vegas. We pay for everything.”

itor’s Note: Clarified in order the put forth the correct Gate/Site Fee Distribution)…Golden Boy Productions is believed to have just completed a “four wall deal” for the fight. A casino four wall deal has many variations, but usually means the talent gets the venue rent free but no money guarantee. The promoter and fighter works off either all or a percentage of revenue from ticket sales. The casino may or may not cover some costs and keeps the gate in lieu of a site fee. It is never both….a casino either gives you a site fee and they keep the ticket gate, or the promoter rents the venue and they keep the gate. The Golden Boy deal is believed to be one where GBP keeps the entire gate in lieu of a site fee.

Floyd's fights with Maidana did 900k or less. That's 7 million dollars for every 100,000 at $70 a piece. Where did you even come up with this 3 million?

Half of 7 million is 3.5 million.

Try to keep up.

What evidence do you want from China? The PPV buys? You know... fighters make decent money in Mexico and they fight on free TV. So do you NFL players and NBA/MLB players and soccer/football as well. PPV is only something in the US for combat sports and nowhere else. Well in Europe they have it as well but they only cost $25 or so and in China Arum said it's only $5.

What evidence do you have? You spew a lot of crap without any numbers to back it up. Sure they can make money in Mexico but they don't make $20 million that Pacquiao is supposed to be guaranteed.

Yes Arum said $5 dollar ppvs in China but how many are they selling? Are they even selling 100k? Obviously it's not enough if they aren't fighting exclusively in china.

The US market is probably still better for BIG, HUGE mega fights. But in Asia they just want to see Manny fight and don't give a **** who it is so, for those kinds of fights. Yes, China is probably better than the US.

Sure it is.

That's why Pacquiao's next fight will be in the states. If he was really making all that make believe money he would never come back.