Mayweather is better than Marquez, but will do much worst against Pacquaio.

[Evol]

You don't have to take risks if you don't need to. You don't throw the ball when you are up 14 late in the 4th quarter, you run the clock out. Floyd's reach, unusual for someone his height, allows him to fight from a distance that forces other fighters to take the risks.

JMM has to take risks in order to land, Floyd won't. All that matters is getting the win-something Floyd has shown he is an expert at.

u cant be up 14 points if u dont take risk and thats going up against manny LOL.. pac has fought guys with the same reach as floyd and even fought some with a longer reach. algieri has the same reach as floyd, oscar and marg has a longer reach. to my knowledge floyd has never fought with anyone close to manny.

[TMTForever]

[The Big Dunn]

I just don't see it playing out good for Floyd due to his low output combined with Pac's high output and awkward style. Now I'm not saying Pac will walk thru Floyd because no fighter has been able to do that thus far. What I'm saying is, Floyd will be presented with a style has has yet to see and fighting the way he's fought his last few fights wont favor him in a fight with Pac.

From what I've learned from the Madiana and Augustus fights is that Floyd doesn't fair well with awkward non conventional styles.

Floyd won those fights, as he has against every southpaw, and forced the opponent to lower their punch output as he has done in every fight he has ever had. Why the assumption Manny's out put won't decline?

Manny's style is never problematic for boxers. The 4 JMM fights make this painfully obvious-Manny can be timed and Manny will get hit because of the position of his hands and body when he throws punches.

Manny and JMM have equal reach-Floyd 5 inches longer.He hits JMM because JMM has to get close to hit him. Floyd, much faster than JMM and a better counter puncher, will be able to strike from a distance.

[tank17211]

Technical summary


Mayweather is obviously the superior fighter to Marquez. I don't think anyone should be debating that. What people do need to understand is that Mayweather is a fantastic counter puncher defensive fighter that people mistakenly link to Marquez's own counter punching style. They are totally different and one style have always caused Pacquiao trouble, the other will not.


They are completely different fighters who set up their counters completely differently.

First off, the key for Marquez against Pacquiao has always been his constant lateral movement. Not only does he constantly sway at a low center of gravity while rotating away from Pac's left, but he pivots out of range and changes the angle after landing an attack, or even in the middle of an exchange, to completely confuse Pacquiao and take away his ability to take the initiative with his amazingly swift footwork. He does this so much so that in the second half of the fight, he caught Pacquiao with a left hook pretty much behind the head because of how he was able to laterally shift away from an oncoming Manny.


Mayweather on the other hand is a more conventional "slick" counter-puncher who relies on his control of distance to anticipate and neutralize his opponent. While he's brilliant in reading his opponent and measuring his own punches against their own, he usually does this either going straight backwards or straight forwards, with efficient footwork. He has habituated himself to fighting in straight lines in order to land his favorite punches; lead right hands, pull-counters, jabs to the body, counter or lead left hooks, or counter-right uppercuts when swarmed. But one thing Mayweather almost never shows is the type of lateral movement Marquez shows.


De La Hoya, while still game, had an offensive gameplan that relied a lot on mere feints and swarms of activity to back Floyd up, and he usually did so with no problem. Even after Mayweather adjusted to his rhythm and started winning rounds, he hardly ever looked impressive and was backing up consistently without ever shifting towards a laterally-minded gameplan. Wouldn't that have made things easier for him instead of constantly giving up the center and having to retreat to the ropes to counter before escaping? Someone with the style of Hopkins (as in VS Pavlik), for example, would prefer such tactics, and Floyd seems to prefer seeing his opponent right in front of him, positioning himself right in front.



This comfort zone does not appear to be a preferred strategy for someone who can rotate so quickly and match Floyd speed for speed with plenty of pop behind it.(Manny)

This leads into my second point, which is that Marquez's movement allows him to get Pacquiao on the inside and punish him. As an in-the-pocket counter-puncher, Marquez can duck under and find himself body-to-body with pacquiao and take advantage of his unpolished inside game. Uppercuts, combinations, and even spots of controlled aggression (before pivoting out) are something that he can do because of his relatively similar size to Pacquiao.

Now, while people point to Mayweather's reach giving Pacquiao issues, I don't believe he'll be able to use it to control Pacquiao if he shows his regular movement. Floyd's accurate and reflexive, but his defensive stance by nature anchors his back foot to the canvas, and allows someone as fleet-footed as Pacquiao to change the punching angle and capitalize for an offensive opportunity.

Fighting in straight lines is not the way to beat Pacquiao; you have to take away the punching angle, and I don't think at all that Floyd can circle as well as he can back-pedal.

On top of all of this is tempo. While Marquez was able to control pace from time to time, he was still able to fluidly exchange with Pacquiao and see the angles in order to time the better shots while rolling with Pac's own. Mayweather, as skilled and tough and intuitive as he is, has not shown this quality in abundance. The times he's been hurt actually, have been times he's over-committed to his own punches (Corely, Judah, Mosley). He can adjust brilliantly round-to-round, but as controversial as it may sound, I feel he lacks this sort of intangible fluidity Marquez has in his approach.


Once again Floyd is the superior fighter to Marquez but he lack the particular attributes that Marquez have in the counter punching game that have so enabled Marquez to be Manny's biggest nightmare.

I agree. Pac will do better against Floyd. The same way Floyd struggled with DLH but Pac destroyed him. Same with Miguel Cotto.

[Evol]

pac's style will be nightmare for floyd just like how marquez's style gives pac problems.

[darius45]

While this may be true to some extent, there's one thing Floyd doesn't do that plays a big part in why JMM had success against Pac. Taking risks! He knew he would never be able to beat Pac by playing it safe. You have to literally FIGHT Pac in order to have success because his style makes you fight!

This is the key. Marquez wasn't afraid to take punishment from Pac, and he wouldn't of been able to land on Pac as much if you didn't trade with him from time to time. Whereas pretty boy Floyd does everything in his power never to get touched up. This is another reason why I think if a hungry Manny shows up, he'll win... or we'll see a Manny who wasn't quite as ferocious and Floyd conveniently gets the decision for a rematch... What will be more interesting is who "takes" the first loss for the rematch.... but hey, maybe I'm just too cynical after seeing how boxing has become theater.

[The Big Dunn]

u cant be up 14 points if u dont take risk and thats going up against manny LOL.. pac has fought guys with the same reach as floyd and even fought some with a longer reach. algieri has the same reach as floyd, oscar and marg has a longer reach. to my knowledge floyd has never fought with anyone close to manny.

look, man you sound ******ed. you don't need to take risks. you are just regurgitating what you read from other pac fans.

Those guys are nowhere near as good as Floyd and could never box and move like him. Manny can beat tall guys who suck with no problem, yet he struggles with JMM a small man with skills.

Floyd has more skill than JMM and has the reach to go along with it. Like DIbella said-that's the reason Manny and his team realize he would have major problems.

[Evol]

look, man you sound ******ed. you don't need to take risks. you are just regurgitating what you read from other pac fans.

Those guys are nowhere near as good as Floyd and could never box and move like him. Manny can beat tall guys who suck with no problem, yet he struggles with JMM a small man with skills.

Floyd has more skill than JMM and has the reach to go along with it. Like DIbella said-that's the reason Manny and his team realize he would have major problems.

i sound ******ed but u're the one running with triangle theories.. manny beat all those guys but struggle with marquez is why i believe floyd will struggle with manny. floyd has more skills than marquez but floyd doesnt apply those skills like how marquez does when he's fighting manny! it has already been posted on here that marquez has so much success with manny is because marquez is willing to take some to gain some and its been proven on here that floyd is NOT willing to put himself thru that.

nobody is saying floyd will be a walk in the park for manny. pac fans is actually admitted that it wont be an easy job. unlike floyd fans who runs around all day saying manny is easy work for floyd. this is how u can tell which fan base is lying to themselves.

[djtmal]

Manny can beat tall guys who suck with no problem, yet he struggles with JMM a small man with skills.

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so, oscar, bradley, & cotto don't have boxing skills?

stop the hate will ya..

& don't try to downplay algieri...he boxed manny pretty good imo, just didn't have enough experience....

& another tall guy who isn't a boxer, but definitely doesn't suck, and got beat pretty bad was margarito...pacquiao had to deal with a reach advantage nonetheless...

[LouIE G]

Ive always said that floyd is vunerable against quick shots down the middle...marquez hit floyd clean with straight shots and manny would too... pac is the only guy out there that has what it takes to be the "ONE" to take that "0"..... but i dont think marquez would do better then floyd imo.