New Ring P4P rankings: Wladimir Klitschko moved up to #2

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Total joke! The guy is an awkward blob in the ring fighting guys who wouldn't be sparring partners for past p4p fighters.
he has NO defensive skills at all, look at him thrust both arms out when he got hit with a jab last week! watch his feet come off the canvas too! his height is his defense and that's not a developed skill its a genetic help!
He never punches in combination and he has NO lateral movement! Getting up on his toes in front of the blob he fought last week was a "high light" hahaha!!!!

p4p king right now in boxing is RIGO watch him box and then watch Wlad and if you think Wlad is more skilled than RIGO you have no idea what technique and boxing IQ is!

To ad Carl Froch to a p4p BEST list is delusional, he has no form no style and is at best a club fighter with heart! Having guts and heart is very important but the p4p ranking is for "highly skilled" fighters!
Wlad is the giant modern day Canera and Froch is the crowd pleasing ruff house guy who people enjoy seeing.
If you can imagine these fellows competing against past p4p greats, they would be slaughtered.
Imagine a RIGO at 6'3" 218-222 Wlad has No Chance! None!

Sorry but p4p is for elite fighters not just because you win against inferior competition.
Ray

Welcome back JAB!

[M Bison]

Guys, the HW division isn't considered weak because Wlad is so dominant. Even if Wlad weren't there, it would still be considered weak, because other than Wlad, there aren't that many good fighters. You know something is wrong when clumsy, unskilled oaf Tyson Fury is a top 10 contender. A weak division without a dominant champion is still a weak division.

Povetkin went life and death with CW Huck, and Pulev struggled with Ustinov and ancient Thompson.

For every example you give I could likely give another of a great from another era struggling with someone they shouldn't have...
Besides Ustinov is a gigantic man mountain, I never really seen Pulev struggling I seen him going out for the stoppage and he got it eventually.

It's not even really worth mentioning previous opponents with who Joe Frazier, Ali and Joe Louis had a hard time with its just the simply fact that styles make fights.

For a man just going up to HW Marco Huck was a lot more physically imposing and aggressive than anyone could have ever imagined him being, somewhat reminiscent to the same aggressiveness Holyfield showed when he made his jump to the HW division.

[M Bison]

What I would like to test someone to is do you really think If Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather were 6ft + fighting in the heavier weight divisions that they'd be able to fight in the same manner as they do?

The point is Manny Pacquiaos style is tailored to that of a lighter fighter and so is Floyd Mayweathers If you really think they could bring that to a much heavier division then you've got to be living in fantasy land!
We have only seen one physical beast at the heavyweight division that brought all physical aspects of speed, agility and power and that was Mike Tyson, I don't think that can be replicated some fighters are just physically gifted and Mike was one of those guys.

On the other foot do you think that any heavyweight legend of the past or present would fight like they did in their heavyweight career If they were 5ft 7 fighting in the welterweight division?
Sure maybe some might and it might work but for the majority it wouldn't.

As for Ray saying If Rigo was 6ft3 and 200+ lbs...
I'd LOVE to see a heavyweight that has the footwork of his try and move like that for 12 rounds, he'd likely gas himself out in 6 rounds.

[-Kev-]

There's an update coming this week with some changes (Kovalev and Wlad in, Ward out). The top two haven't changed here: //krikya360.com/forums/view.php?pg=pound

Gonzalez #2

Easily the worst P4P list right now out of all top Boxing P4P lists on the internet. The Gonzalez thing has pretty much become a big joke. Estrada in the top 10.

[crold1]

Gonzalez #2

Easily the worst P4P list right now out of all top Boxing P4P lists on the internet. The Gonzalez thing has pretty much become a big joke. Estrada in the top 10.

Time will tell. hardly alone on the Gonzalez thing. I look at divisional strength first. Nothing is stronger right now, top to bottom, than 147 and 112 IMO.

[The Hammer]

Time will tell. hardly alone on the Gonzalez thing. I look at divisional strength first. Nothing is stronger right now, top to bottom, than 147 and 112 IMO.

147 is overrated, but I agree Gonzalez should be near the top of the P4P list.

Too many P4P rankings focus on achievements long past, rather than recent ones.

Right NOW, Gonzalez (who has been winning IMPRESSIVELY) is clearly one of the top fighters in the world.

[crold1]

147 is overrated, but I agree Gonzalez should be near the top of the P4P list.

Too many P4P rankings focus on achievements long past, rather than recent ones.

Right NOW, Gonzalez (who has been winning IMPRESSIVELY) is clearly one of the top fighters in the world.

The only prime offensive force on his level, IMO, is Golovkin and GGG doesn't quite have the resume yet. I would be less than shocked if they are the two best fighters in the world in many mind by the end of next year/into 2016.

[M Bison]

The only prime offensive force on his level, IMO, is Golovkin and GGG doesn't quite have the resume yet. I would be less than shocked if they are the two best fighters in the world in many mind by the end of next year/into 2016.

Too bad Gonzalez is an unknown commodity within the less hardcore of the boxing fans.

[Run]

Man that's a gigantic cluster load of crap.

If all of that what you're saying is true then why do so many people think a man who lays up against the ropes and allows a man to whale on them should be regarded as the all time P4P best (Muhammad Ali)...

I'm just looking at snippets of that wall of text because honestly I can tell its a load of crap.

Ray Robinson is p4p the greatest fighter of all time.

The system was invented because of him. Only some bizarre fanboy argues otherwise in part to a damn bias.

This heavyweight nonsense is out of control.



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[Run]

As a criteria,

Winning titles in MULTIPLE weight classes, while fighting undisputed or linear competitors who are the best in the given division should be the determining factor.

Once again.

Heavyweight is the echelon weight. It's considered by many to be nonsense rating one as a P4P contender.

Sorry. I won't bug you guys again here.



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