New Ring P4P rankings: Wladimir Klitschko moved up to #2

[Boxing Goat]

45 clinches and 38 punches. Impressive.

Knockouts and wide decision wins against the next best rated heavyweights over and over again is indeed impressive.

[HEND]

Idk what's the point of that they move Pac above Ward but Ward is still #4 on the list. IMO if they keep him on the list he should stay above Wlad and Manny since none of them beat a contender that worth a place above Ward, but if the inactivity of Ward caused that his downrate they should simply take him off of that list. Simple as that. I think they should take off Ward after 1 year inactivity (so yes, they shuold do it already) but no way that Pac and Wlad suddenly simply just became better than him based on wins over Pulev and Algieri.

[Divine Hammer]

wlad finally getting some respect.

truthfully he really is the #1 p4p but #2 is good too.

[beez721]

45 clinches and 38 punches. Impressive.

well,,,,out of only 38 punches he put a 250lb tank on the deck 4 times so that says alot for his power

[beez721]

Wlad ahead of PAC, nope, but he should definitely be 3rd.

tough call between those 2. I love paq but he was starched not super long ago by marquez while wlad hasnt been touched in years. that probably why ring has wlad higher. personally I would have put wlad right behind paq but its debatable

[beez721]

When ranking fighters as if weight isn't a factor, how can a case be made that Wladimir Klitschko is the second best boxer on the planet?

There currently isn't a single heavyweight that should be anywhere near a P4P list, let alone number 2.

another clueless poster using the size excuse. if anything wlad is even more dominant against the bigger heavyweights he fights. wlad doesnt dominate because hes big,,,,its his crippling power and ring smarts

[- Ram Raid -]

another clueless poster using the size excuse. if anything wlad is even more dominant against the bigger heavyweights he fights. wlad doesnt dominate because hes big,,,,its his crippling power and ring smarts

It's amusing that in your eagerness to claim that others are clueless, you have completely failed to comprehend the point of the post or the context that it was stated in.

Seeming as you're having a little trouble with it I'll be nice and get you started on a basic deconstruction of what was stated.

"When ranking fighters as if weight isn't a factor. . ."
(Ohh. There's a little clue in the boldface. Don't miss it!)

Now. What do you think that could mean? Yes, that's right! It means exactly what it says. Weight isn't a factor, and that encompasses size, so there is no excuse!

Let's move on to the next bit. You're on a roll, well done you!!

". . . how can a case be made that Wladimir Klitschko is the second best boxer on the planet?"

Mmm. 'Best boxer'? I wonder what that could mean? . . . Aha, yes of course, it's like your own little eureka moment!! 'Best boxer' is referring to skill set, technical ability, a mastery over the craft of boxing! It has nothing to do with a size discrepancy at all, and that's just like the first statement isn't it?

Wow. You're a big boy now! Now let's see if you can do the rest on your own, shall we? Go on, you can do it. I'll give you a clue. It definitely isn't about size!!!

[crold1]

good point. but wlad's performances have been really a big problem as well. The US doesn't get to see him often. when they do its been haye, povetkin level disasters.

This is a lot like when Holmes was hbut even then it wasn't this bad. there was the "post ali drought" but this feels different. HWT's are bigger and stronger than ever but fans are turned off.



IDK DLM. I can't see US/British fans getting excited over a guy like Deontay wilder.

think about it-Tyson was 17-0 and everyone was buzzing about him. Wilder has KO'd almost twice as many guys and there is just no buzz about him. even if wilder were to somehow KO wlad people still wouldn't care.

The problems were different in the Holmes era. The athleticism was often good and there were some skilled, multi dimensional guys that made consistently good fights for awhile. The group matches funny. Some are big but can't punch. Some can box but can't punch. Some can punch but that's it. The Klits are it for guys with complete packages.

It's why I'm big in Joshua and Parker. They look more the part than anyone since Wlad first exploded with the Byrd and McCline and wins.

[_original_]

Sure, the lumbering oaf has wiped out all the other garbage opponents in his wasteland division for years (which I give props too for not allowing said fat bums to hold belts), but it's a travesty to rank Wlad the P4P #2 fighter in the world. In hypothetical matchups, where all fighters are the in the same mythical weightclass, is Wlad really the second best fighter in the world? Would he beat Pacquiao, Rigo, Bradley, Kovalev, Golovkin, Loma, Ward, Froch, and tens of other opponents? Probably not, which is why P4P lists are very flawed in theory. Sure, resume and accomplishments have to be seriously taken into account (which is funny as Wlad has no hall of fame wins), but the true meaning of P4P is to rank fighters in order of their perceived skills compared to the others. Wlad and his clinch-a-thons and jabfests in robotic fashion against C level out of shape opposition does not scream P4P. Moreover, the original P4P lists excluded heavyweight fighters, I think that line of thinking should still be incorporated.

[M Bison]

wlad finally getting some respect.

truthfully he really is the #1 p4p but #2 is good too.

Yeah I think so as well but we can accept #2, If they don't move Wladimir to #1 If he wins the WBC belt then we know there is an agenda.

The only way Wladimir should remain #2 IF he wins the WBC belt is if the Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao fight finally happens.

Besides don't you want the Floyd Vs Manny fight to happen?
We should award fighters who are trying to do something amazing and Wladimir is doing that he is now the second longest reigning HW champion and If he defends his titles 3 more times he will be equal to defenses of his title with Larry Holmes and he will only need 5 more to equal Joe Louis.

In my opinion he doesn't need to defend his title 8+ more times for us to know he is better than Larry Holmes and Joe Louis but its something that wont be beaten anytime soon If he does it.