New Ring P4P rankings: Wladimir Klitschko moved up to #2

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Happy TROLLING? Me?

You're really one to talk you anti-Klitschko douche nozzle.

You were here at attention the second somebody made mention of anything that remotely looked like a Klitschko praise.

Why even start posting in this thread? You're not convincing anyone that you have any sense and that Klitschko has not earned his spot.

He has certainly done more than Tyson had done in the 80's to deserve the #1 P4P spot he got. I wouldn't be suprised if you were on that panel.

Try being objective like a real journalist you narrow minded twit.

24-2 in HW title fights and counting. Know it. Accept it. Fall in love with it, because there's nothing you can do or say to stop it.

He really hasn't. If we are going to use the term correctly then Wladimir doesn't belong on a P4P list because it isn't a recognition of how much inert meat you can make opposing trainers dig out of the canvas.

Now Tyson's star burned bright and fast but for a short period of time he was one of the very few heavyweights who have warranted consideration as boxing's P4P number 1. If you packaged him into 168lbs his style, technical ability and explosiveness would mean that he could still dominate.

That case can't be made for Wladimir. His boxing ability is one dimensional, and there is more missing from his game than is actually present. Now that's fine for the division that he is in but if we take what he possesses and compare that to the best boxers on the planet irrespective of weight then he comes up short.

You wont find anyone outside of the heavyweight ranks who tries to emulate how Klitschko boxes because in the lower weight divisions against skilled practitioners it simply isn't good enough to even get past domestic level.

Tyson was a very different story. There was and still are numerous successful fighters up and down the weight divisions who have emulated technical aspects of his game. And they've had success with that in the lower divisions where the skill set required is far higher than at heavyweight precisely because Tyson had mastered his craft to such a degree that he deserved consideration as P4P number one in the correct use of the term.

Wladimir really doesn't come close to that and no amount of title defences over weak opposition in boxing's deadweight division can do anything to change it.

[Beater_of_ass]

I thought Oscar and Bob were getting along, what happened? Vlad is not better than Manny, Cotto/Canelo negotiations must not be going well.

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He really hasn't. If we are going to use the term correctly then Wladimir doesn't belong on a P4P list because it isn't a recognition of how much inert meat you can make opposing trainers dig out of the canvas.

Now Tyson's star burned bright and fast but for a short period of time he was one of the very few heavyweights who have warranted consideration as boxing's P4P number 1. If you packaged him into 168lbs his style, technical ability and explosiveness would mean that he could still dominate.

That case can't be made for Wladimir. His boxing ability is one dimensional, and there is more missing from his game than is actually present. Now that's fine for the division that he is in but if we take what he possesses and compare that to the best boxers on the planet irrespective of weight then he comes up short.

You wont find anyone outside of the heavyweight ranks who tries to emulate how Klitschko boxes because in the lower weight divisions against skilled practitioners it simply isn't good enough to even get past domestic level.

Tyson was a very different story. There was and still are numerous successful fighters up and down the weight divisions who have emulated technical aspects of his game. And they've had success with that in the lower divisions where the skill set required is far higher than at heavyweight precisely because Tyson had mastered his craft to such a degree that he deserved consideration as P4P number one in the correct use of the term.

Wladimir really doesn't come close to that and no amount of title defences over weak opposition in boxing's deadweight division can do anything to change it.

Tyson ever being #1 P4P was just Ring star hugging a bit. He was never better than someone like Chavez. It's why these ratings shouldn't be taken that serious in the moment. Time tells.

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I really don't understand why Floyd is still #1 in the ranking. He should get penalize for ducking Pacquiao.

[Boxing Goat]

He really hasn't. If we are going to use the term correctly then Wladimir doesn't belong on a P4P list because it isn't a recognition of how much inert meat you can make opposing trainers dig out of the canvas.

Now Tyson's star burned bright and fast but for a short period of time he was one of the very few heavyweights who have warranted consideration as boxing's P4P number 1. If you packaged him into 168lbs his style, technical ability and explosiveness would mean that he could still dominate.

That case can't be made for Wladimir. His boxing ability is one dimensional, and there is more missing from his game than is actually present. Now that's fine for the division that he is in but if we take what he possesses and compare that to the best boxers on the planet irrespective of weight then he comes up short.

You wont find anyone outside of the heavyweight ranks who tries to emulate how Klitschko boxes because in the lower weight divisions against skilled practitioners it simply isn't good enough to even get past domestic level.

Tyson was a very different story. There was and still are numerous successful fighters up and down the weight divisions who have emulated technical aspects of his game. And they've had success with that in the lower divisions where the skill set required is far higher than at heavyweight precisely because Tyson had mastered his craft to such a degree that he deserved consideration as P4P number one in the correct use of the term.

Wladimir really doesn't come close to that and no amount of title defences over weak opposition in boxing's deadweight division can do anything to change it.

Not that I'm replying to the whole thread but do you want me to go other the fighters who were active in 1989 that deserved a P4P ranking over Tyson who only really ever beat LHW Spinks and old Larry Holmes?

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Tyson ever being #1 P4P was just Ring star hugging a bit. He was never better than someone like Chavez. It's why these ratings shouldn't be taken that serious in the moment. Time tells.

I wouldn't agree that he was number one myself. But at his zenith, the calibre of boxing skill that he displayed meant that his hat deserved to be thrown in the ring when putting together a P4P list. It's not often that that can be said about a heavyweight.

[Boxing Goat]

I wouldn't agree that he was number one myself. But at his zenith, the calibre of boxing skill that he displayed meant that his hat deserved to be thrown in the ring when putting together a P4P list. It's not often that that can be said about a heavyweight.

Ok, take that in consideration and imagine how Wlad should be regarded when he has exclipsed Tyson in every stat and has infinitely more boxing ability. Think about it. It's been over ten years since the guy lost and he has faced every style in that time including bum rushers and stylistic boxers and has not really even been challenged since 2005. It's not all just the competition. Much should be said for his ability and dedication to his craft.

If Wlad was U.S. American (white or black) he would be on the Wheaties box, in films, commercials galore and in the headlines constantly. He would be the most recognized sports icon since Michael Jordan. Not a doubt about it.

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Not that I'm replying to the whole thread but do you want me to go other the fighters who were active in 1989 that deserved a P4P ranking over Tyson who only really ever beat nobody except LHW Spinks and old Larry Holmes?

Yeah I'd be interested to see who you'd rank him below.

What I'd say first though, is that P4P lists aren't primarily about resumes. It's about skill set and opposition comes into that as an indicator of the calibre of fighter that that skill set can still be successful against.

Obviously if there's a sparsity of talent in a division then a fighter can only face a lower level of opposition. It's what a fighter displays whilst beating them though that counts.

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I really don't understand why Floyd is still #1 in the ranking. He should get penalize for ducking Pacquiao.

Floyds only no1 in American rankings. But its Pac whose no1 p4p, if he was Floyds size he would be favourite.

Pac is smaller, yet its still a very intriguing fight for people. If Pac was a little bigger than Floyd, Floyd wouldn't want any of it.

[IronDanHamza]

Floyds only no1 in American rankings. But its Pac whose no1 p4p, if he was Floyds size he would be favourite.

Pac is smaller, yet its still a very intriguing fight for people. If Pac was a little bigger than Floyd, Floyd wouldn't want any of it.

Floyd's #1 in all rankings.