Frazier vs klitschko

[kiDynamite92]

The other one was much bigger and stronger than Frazier but had no appreciable boxing skills whatsoever. He didn't even LEARN how to box until he was in his 40's! Because Frazier was a defenceless punch bag half blind midget, Froeman was able to throw his arms left and right until his opponent fell over. That was Froeman's genius plan to undo Frazier.

Foreman was a bad stylistic match for joe, a swarmer vs a bomber and of the best ever at that. Of course he would have been there for Foreman to hit. Wlads master plan is to keep grabbing you when you get close because he's scared of being hit and so he can tire out his opponents. He just jabs, runs and grabs, that's his master plan.

[Elroy1]

Ali was untouchable in his prime. When he came out of prison he didn't have his legs anymore which caused him to get hit more. He only took real punishment in the Foreman fight, that's the only time you could call him a punching bag. No modern HW would be able to lay a finger on Ali, Wlad would fall over just trying and instantly KO himself. Wlad is pathetic, he could't stop a glass jaw fraud in David Haye. He was just scared like the woman he is.

Ali was smashed from pillar to post in nearly all of his fights.

Ali was faster and more mobile in the 60's that's true. He was longer than all of his opponents and this enabled him to run all night, land on opponents and escape danger much by staying out of range.

Young Clay/Ali still had no reflexes at all and was still hit by even the slowest of punches as soon as he was in range.

In many of his so called prime fights, he was pasted often enough by some of the lightest, shortest and most bummy boxers ever assembled.

"Prime" Ali never fought a decent opponent.

"Prime" Ali who could run all night and was very fast (he WAS fast) barely weighed 200lbs and was inexperienced. He also had zero experience against very hard punchers or guys much over 200 lbs.

He would be knocked out by any serious HW today. He is too weak to compete.

He would have made a good amateur boxer though!

[billeau2]

Stop playing dumb, you know it was pre Steward Wlad who got stopped by Sanders.

Wlad would take him out within 3 rounds, because he's bigger, better and stronger fighter.

Stewart......Genius trainer magically transforms Vlad from a mere 96 pound weakling to SUPER CLINCH!!! A clinch to win is that Vlad! Why even throw punches when a manhug will do the trick? I mean as Slapsy maxie would say "someone could ger hurt out there!"

yes Without the boy wonder Batman is lacking and without the genius of th clinch in a sinch Vlad would be.......just another marvel.

[kiDynamite92]

LEt me point out that Foreman at 218lbs was 10lbs LESS than the AVERAGE HW boxer today and nearly 20lbs! LESS than Wladimir Klitschko's average opponent.

Today we would consider Froeman a SMALL boxer! Smaller than Bryant Jennings! Bottom 10 Wladimir's smallers opponent and bottom 3 Vitali's! Today we would call him LITTLE George Foreman. Reasonably tall, but fairly skinny.

Let me point this out to you. The greatest HW of this era was a former cruiser and an actual cruiser at that. Yet he managed to draw with Lewis who beat down VK to a stoppage. George Foreman later in his career when he was fat was about 250, heavier the sanders, guess he's beat Wlad then right? Also a middleweight, not a cruiser but a middleweight made Vitali quit and refused to rematch!

[Elroy1]

Foreman was a bad stylistic match for joe, a swarmer vs a bomber and of the best ever at that. Of course he would have been there for Foreman to hit. Wlads master plan is to keep grabbing you when you get close because he's scared of being hit and so he can tire out his opponents. He just jabs, runs and grabs, that's his master plan.

Wladimir has fought the most diverse range of styles of opponents of all time and conquered every one of them.

His "style" is to completely shut down the style of the opponent by punishing every move they make until they are paralysed and can't move anymore, charmed like a rattlesnake, ready to be knocked out.

Foreman HAD no style. He just swung for the hills. That only works if your opponents are unskilled and weak.

Frazier had no style. He just came forward and tried to maul. That only works if your opponents are unskilled and weak.

[kiDynamite92]

And no 220lb HW boxer can ever get away with being as unskilled as Foreman was now.

The fact that these guys are considered ATG's is complete proof of how bad Frazier's era really was!

The Klitschko's a terrible boxers, the fact they're being mentioned alongside frazier is a disgrace.

[kiDynamite92]

Not supported by the video evidence that clearly shows him sick. Not supported by statements made pre-fight. Not supported by doctors report. Not supported by Bernstein investigation incident. Jury's out on you. That's why OTNB only sparingly mention Brewster when dissing WK, because it doesn't wash.

Yawwnnn. David Haye claimed a broken toe in his fight against WK and showed it afterwards and you could see from the fight he wasn't his usual self. That means that we should take away that win from Wlad right? Lamont Peterson provided a Dr's note as to why he was taking test which was completely rubbished by boxing authorites, there goes Wlad's Dr's report.

[Chris Bauermeis]

Wladimir has fought the most diverse range of styles of opponents of all time and conquered every one of them.

His "style" is to completely shut down the style of the opponent by punishing every move they make until they are paralysed and can't move anymore, charmed like a rattlesnake, ready to be knocked out.

Foreman HAD no style. He just swung for the hills. That only works if your opponents are unskilled and weak.

Frazier had no style. He just came forward and tried to maul. That only works if your opponents are unskilled and weak.

Vlad hasn't fought many diverse styles.

Stop trolling.

He hasn't fought the bob and weave guys like Frazier.
He hasn't fought a guy that can jab and keep him turning.

When he fought somebody that can fight inside he got KTFO.

Vlad lacked ATG.... stanima....heart...chin...and toughness.

Foreman thru combos...Vlad grabs after every punch.

[kiDynamite92]

Frazier's left hook after landing repeatedly on Ali, who was decked by a 185lb bum named Cooper was not able to stop Ali in 3 fights.

Frazier's left hook was less than worthless vs Froeman who basically treated him exactly what he was. A rag doll with no power at all!

Ali was caught of of balance when he was dropped by Cooper because he was moving around the ring as he did earlier on in his career. Foreman was also stunned by a Frazier hook, rag doll? I think not.

[Elroy1]

Let me point this out to you. The greatest HW of this era was a former cruiser and an actual cruiser at that. Yet he managed to draw with Lewis who beat down VK to a stoppage. George Foreman later in his career when he was fat was about 250, heavier the sanders, guess he's beat Wlad then right? Also a middleweight, not a cruiser but a middleweight made Vitali quit and refused to rematch!

I give experienced, 260lb George LESS punchers chance than I do young George against Wladimri (because he was even slower than young Geroge and too slow to land anything on him) BUT I give old George better chances to SURVIVE against Wladimir because he fought smarter, didn't gas and was more defensive. He was also extremely strength trained in the 90's and Wladimir would not be able to successfully lean on him. Geroge would shove him off as he did Morrison! Old George was stronger than young. Fact.

Vitali retired vs Byrd due to a pre-existing shoulder injury, extremely painful. He won nearly every round!

Lennox Lewis was exteremely lucky to have caused tears on Vitali from the swiping edges of his gloves in his desperation to survive. Without these cuts, VK would have been even stronger in performance and LEnnox knocked out. As it was, VK beat the **** out of Lennox anyway who was relieved the fight was over. Lennox knew he wouldn't beat him in the rematch which was demanded and wouldn't get lucky again so retired.

Holyfield is one of my favourite boxers and I rank him very highly. Irank him in the same tier as Rid**** Bowe and Mike Tyson.

He is not in the same class as Lewis, Vitali or Wladimir. Lewis outboxed him soundly in both fights. Holyfield would wallop every pre-80's HW too no doubt!