Frazier vs klitschko

[kiDynamite92]

He has also survived, and come back to win after being rocked by the longest career worth of some of the biggest punchers the division has ever seen.

I don't think WK has an iron chin or anything. But the Wlad=glass jaw is a myth. A myth that has long ago been thoroughly BUSTED!

Wlad's chin is glass. Didn't you see him being rocked by that jab Pulev, or that right hand by Wach or repeatedly by David Haye in there fight? He showed heart getting up but does nothing for his chin.

[kiDynamite92]

One thing is certain. There is no HW prior to 1980's apart from someone like Foreman that could ever crack his chin, and he could barely land anything on him!

The situation can be described differently.. LOOK at how weak Joe Frazier is and LOOK at how big and strong Wladimir Klitschko is and how thick his jawline and head is! AS IF he could even hurt him!

The one thing I can say about Frazier is that no heavyweight from the 2000's and upwards would have beat him. I'd say Mike Tyson would have knocked him down a few times but would have gotten back up to win a war.

If boxing was a sport about how big and strong you looked, Phil Heath would be world champ. Look at how big and thick he looks. Wlad would break his hands trying to hurt him right?

[kiDynamite92]

Joe Frazier was unathletic in nearly all of his fights. He could punch for 15 rounds because his punches were so weak, nothing like the bombs today and he weighed only just over 200lbs and stood only 5'11". You CAN be chubby and conditioned as Joe was and as modern HW's are. Fair enough.\

Yes his punches were so weak that he managed to crack Ali's jaw and KO Quarrey and Gualavo right? Wlad can't throw anything more than Jabs a few times and then need to hang on because he's so unconditioned that he'll gas instantly and get KO'd.

[kiDynamite92]

Everything you said about Klitschko was a blatant lie. He has none of those problems, the golfer he was beat by was also a HW boxer of dangerous repute and he never ducked the rematch, Corrie dropped the belt in order NOT to rematch Klitshcko so he could face Vitali and try to become the first (and only) man to beat both Klitschko.

Corrie dropped that belt AFTER wlad didn't want a rematch to fight his older brother. that golfer was so dangerous that he was KO'd by guys I've never even heard of. I'm not the lier, you are.

[kiDynamite92]

And you KNOW everything I said about Frazier was true.

His left hook was ok for CW's and bums. It was maybe a killer left hook then, but vs any modern HW opponent, it would be utterly worthless!

He's left hook cracked Ali and stunned Foreman but would be useless against the heavies of today? More like Wlad's jab would be so slow that it wouldn't be able to touch any of the boxers from Fraziers day!

[Elroy1]

Yes Frazier lost 4 times. Twice to the greatest and twice to one of, if not the hardest puncher ever and also an ATG. Hardly a disappointment. He was also never legitimately stopped, both fights against Foreman was stopped by the ref while he was on his feet.

All 3 of Wlads stoppages were legit. If Wlad was good enough he would have avoided that beautiful combination from Brewster that had him crying poison. Or that right hand uppercut by purity which sent him to the floor or that whole beat down by sanders. He was LUCKY, SO LUCKY that he got cut against Davyll Williamson who almost had him before the fight had to be stopped.

No, Brewster was not legit. Brewster was the result of a hyperglycaemic coma. You could see Wladimir sick at the beginning of the fight and you could see his condition worsen the whole fight whilst never getting hit. And Wladimir was never KOed in that fight anyway.

Neither was he KOed proper in the Puritty fight either. Despite fighting 20 times, he'd flogged out every opponent within 4 rounds, mostly in the 1st. Puritty was the first time he'd been stretched so far.

Despite these 2 losses, Wladimir 1 sidedly bashed both these opponents until the bitter end. The only reason either of them survived long enough was because both have 2 of the hardest chins of all time as evidenced by their careers.

WK has taken monster bombs throughout his career from monstrous punchers, been dropped a few other times but always came back to win. His chin is strong DESPITE coming in so fine, which obviously leaves his chin weaker than if he came in chubbier. He can afford to come in so athletic because he is so good he barely gets hit anyway!

Joe Frazier lost 2ce to 2 guys.

One of them was a totally reflexless, defenceless punching bag who could do little but hold on for grim death and could not punch successfully through the surface tension of water. Any modern boxer would have wasted Ali but because Frazier had no punch, he failed to knock out this guy over all those rounds! Pathetic!

The other one was much bigger and stronger than Frazier but had no appreciable boxing skills whatsoever. He didn't even LEARN how to box until he was in his 40's! Because Frazier was a defenceless punch bag half blind midget, Froeman was able to throw his arms left and right until his opponent fell over. That was Froeman's genius plan to undo Frazier.

LEt me point out that Foreman at 218lbs was 10lbs LESS than the AVERAGE HW boxer today and nearly 20lbs! LESS than Wladimir Klitschko's average opponent.

Today we would consider Froeman a SMALL boxer! Smaller than Bryant Jennings! Bottom 10 Wladimir's smallers opponent and bottom 3 Vitali's! Today we would call him LITTLE George Foreman. Reasonably tall, but fairly skinny.

And no 220lb HW boxer can ever get away with being as unskilled as Foreman was now.

The fact that these guys are considered ATG's is complete proof of how bad Frazier's era really was!

[kiDynamite92]

And amazing movement? Joe was a face first mauler with zero defence whatsoever. You fool!

If Joe was around today, he would never even become a HW boxer, he is too small and not skilled enough or strong enough to fit in like Byrd or Chambers etc.

And he was so unathletic and limited skilled that he would be uncompetitive at CW either!

He wasn't a defensive master but he was illusive with his bobbing and weaving you moron!

Joe won Super HW gold at the olympics! How could he NOT be a HW in the pro's? Especially when they're going 12 rounds now!

Wlad would have been nothing more that journeyman in the days of Frazier and even before. Like a Primo Canera or an Ernie Terrell.

[LacedUp]

basically Wlad is undefeated

#fantasyland

[Elroy1]

He's left hook cracked Ali and stunned Foreman but would be useless against the heavies of today? More like Wlad's jab would be so slow that it wouldn't be able to touch any of the boxers from Fraziers day!

Frazier's left hook after landing repeatedly on Ali, who was decked by a 185lb bum named Cooper was not able to stop Ali in 3 fights.

Frazier's left hook was less than worthless vs Froeman who basically treated him exactly what he was. A rag doll with no power at all!

Mike Tyson.
Tommy Morrison
Wladimir Klitschko
David Tua

These are a few guys with a real left hook. These guys lay blokes out for the count with their left hook.

There is no comparison between the power here!

[Elroy1]

basically Wlad is undefeated

#fantasyland

He lost 2ce legit. Fair and square.

A giant boxer like Wlad needs to manage his workrate.

Sanders didn't intentionally butt Wlad, he's rough.

There's no excuse for these losses.

But they ARE explainable, unlike any other boxers are.

Ali got thoroughly outboxed in his losses, Wlad's never been outboxed.

Lewis got outboxed then sparked out cold in his 2 losses, Wlad has never been sparked out cold ever.

You see?