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    Originally posted by luisivich View Post
    i posted it before i read it. sorry about that.

    mayweather may end up with the best pvp buys. but if you graph it. pvp buys is proportional to either population or technology or year( because every year there is an improvement in technology and increase population thus the year 2000-2010 would do better than 1990-1999 and so on)

    not an exact science. just saying.
    check the live gate numbers then son. anyway you cut it-live gate or ppv. floyd mayweather is a better boxer than the other guys in the top 5 and has sold more.

    If this wasn't the case-posters like you and gong wouldn't be on NSB trying to quantify it and make up some ridiculous excuses like-people only pay to see him lose-people pay to see the Mexican opponent- yada, yada, yada.

    Hate it or love it-either way learn to accept it.

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      Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
      you don't know why people buy his ppv's-all you do is speculate in a way that serves your agenda.
      The same can be said for yourself and your opinion. You don't know people buy ppv's just because they like him. So the Mexicans buying the Canelo/Floyd are buying because they like Floyd?

      PPV and the record of PPV sales is not a really good argument because PPV and PPV record keeping is fairly new relative to boxing history. As Jr Gong stated...the population is also increasing rapidly as time progresses so it's certain PPV sales in the future will be more than what they are today.

      You make it sound like Floyd is a GOAT..which he is not. There will be better guaranteed.

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        Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
        This is the sad part and it will eat him alive for the rest of his life. As talented as he was he will be remembered more for not fighting Pac.
        only here on NSB among the "boxing" fans like you and gong who always try to poke holes in great athlete's accomplishments. You are the guys that want to talk more about MJ on the wizards then when he was on the Bulls.

        Outside of NSB in the real world, he will be remembered as the best fighter of his generation.

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          Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
          only here on NSB among the "boxing" fans like you and gong who always try to poke holes in great athlete's accomplishments. You are the guys that want to talk more about MJ on the wizards then when he was on the Bulls.

          Outside of NSB in the real world, he will be remembered as the best fighter of his generation.
          Floyd will always have the knock of not facing Pac. Atheletes are remembered for what they did for.the sport and against who. His resume is weak..he will be remembered as a boxer who could have challenged himself more. Of course MJ will always be remembered as a Bull. Luckily for him he is not a boxer where opponents are picked. Imagine his rep if the Bulls can choose to never face the Pistons, knicks, pacers, etc

          How do you define generation? He didn't win the boxer of the decade award so it's not so clear cut.
          Last edited by HeGotPacProblem; 10-17-2014, 09:09 AM.

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            Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
            only here on NSB among the "boxing" fans like you and gong who always try to poke holes in great athlete's accomplishments. You are the guys that want to talk more about MJ on the wizards then when he was on the Bulls.

            Outside of NSB in the real world, he will be remembered as the best fighter of his generation.
            I have never spoke to any boxing fan (floyd fans included) who dont claim that although Floyd may be the most talented fighter of our generation, his legacy will always have that ? for not fighting Pac. Even when past boxers, Hof'ers, and atg's are asked, the consensus is that it is Floyd who avoided this fight. I have yet to hear one of them put blame solely on Pacquiao.

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              Originally posted by HeGotPacProblem View Post
              The same can be said for yourself and your opinion. You don't know people buy ppv's just because they like him. So the Mexicans buying the Canelo/Floyd are buying because they like Floyd?

              PPV and the record of PPV sales is not a really good argument because PPV and PPV record keeping is fairly new relative to boxing history. As Jr Gong stated...the population is also increasing rapidly as time progresses so it's certain PPV sales in the future will be more than what they are today.

              You make it sound like Floyd is a GOAT..which he is not. There will be better guaranteed.
              Repeat buyers suggests people are entertained and want more. That's a conclusion we would make in any instance, in boxing or out. In every facet of entertainment and sports popularity is measured in part by sales of some kind-tickets, jerseys, shoes etc. So stop pretending that I am making the same ridiculous crap argument you are, My opinion is data driven, yours clearly isn't.

              No thy are not-ppv sales in other forms sports or entertainment-pro wrestling 1 example-sales are down. Sales are trending down in boxing and ppv's are fewer than in the past. Boxing isn't as big in the US anymore. SO its hard to be sure someone else will come along and top what he did.

              No I don't-you just are exaggerating my points as a way to avoid them.

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                Originally posted by HeGotPacProblem View Post
                How do you define generation? He didn't win the boxer of the decade award so it's not so clear cut.
                Boxer of the decade is confined to a specific 10 years. As it stands right now, he's definitely the best fighter of this era who is still relevant today.

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                  Originally posted by HeGotPacProblem View Post
                  How do you define generation? He didn't win the boxer of the decade award so it's not so clear cut.
                  Decade is ten years, a generation is 20 years. You can win a FOTD award, as manny did, and not be considered the best of your generation, as manny is not.

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                    Originally posted by HeGotPacProblem View Post
                    The same can be said for yourself and your opinion. You don't know people buy ppv's just because they like him. So the Mexicans buying the Canelo/Floyd are buying because they like Floyd?

                    PPV and the record of PPV sales is not a really good argument because PPV and PPV record keeping is fairly new relative to boxing history. As Jr Gong stated...the population is also increasing rapidly as time progresses so it's certain PPV sales in the future will be more than what they are today.

                    You make it sound like Floyd is a GOAT..which he is not. There will be better guaranteed.
                    Your first mistake was taking any advice from that guy. Population increasing does not guarantee that PPV sales will rise in the future. Are PPV sales increasing today even though there are more people than a few years ago? No! The sales have actually declined. PPV is a life luxury, not a life necessity. It's not like food.

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                      Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
                      I have never spoke to any boxing fan (floyd fans included) who dont claim that although Floyd may be the most talented fighter of our generation, his legacy will always have that ? for not fighting Pac. Even when past boxers, Hof'ers, and atg's are asked, the consensus is that it is Floyd who avoided this fight. I have yet to hear one of them put blame solely on Pacquiao.
                      Years ago, the prevailing thought was SRL ducked Pryor. Some still believe that. When aaron was asked a few years going back about what happened, he gave an honest answer that those in the know already knew-that he turned down an offer. I envision the same thing happening assuming Manny truly is saved and gives an honest answer.

                      As time passes and people like Roach and Manny (and BOb should Manny ever leave him) tell the truth, things will change, same as above.

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