Erislandy Lara vs Saul Alvarez.. Who Won?

[DannYankee]

"Canelol clearly won doe"

Hold on insult to injury coming Canelo trying to grab some booty after getting b*tch slapped. Such a great pressure fighter

[icha]

"Canelol clearly won doe"

Hold on insult to injury coming Canelo trying to grab some booty after getting b*tch slapped. Such a great pressure fighter

look at the poll results and get over it...

[M Bison]

Larat will probably retire now.

[SeekDaGreat]

If Lara was granted a rematch, he'd run again. That's the problem. #slowlearners he doesn't have it In him to fight fire with fire and take it Canelo and beat his ass. Therefore he would LOSE AGAIN!

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[CubanGuyNYC]

This isn't stock trading. This is boxing. It's subjective and scoring literally always comes down to opinions.

There is an even bigger school of thought on human psychology that we have an inherent bias that cannot be helped. Now that is actually relevant. Being a Cuban it would have affected you.

Of course it applies to everyone. Me included, but the majority opinion is that Canelo won. That's the closest to objective that the sport gets, I'm afraid.

The theory I pointed to doesn't just apply to stock trading. It has broader applications. The point is, the masses are not always right; and there are many who subscribe to the theory that they're more often than not wrong. That's not to say that's the case here, but it ought to be borne in mind when citing polls.

I recognize that I have inherent biases and prejudices. As you correctly stated, everyone does. But the conscientious amongst us try to cut through the mist and see things as objectively as possible. It doesn't always work, but all we can do is try in an imperfect world...and an imperfect sport.

I'm not Mexican. They're not the biggest group of fans on here either.
Nor are they anywhere near as dogmatic as the Cubans that are here, on average. They have many more fighters to root for so they're more disperesed.

Canelo is popular enough to have his own haters as well.

I didn't think you were Mexican, nor did I imply it. People of that background don't need to be the biggest fans. They just need to outnumber Cubans by a huge margin, which they do.

What makes your opinion more right than ours/theirs?

Nothing. But at least I try to state my case in a clear, logical manner, not by trolling.

I hope you haven't cited the punch stats.

I have not.

Lara fought an ugly, negative fight. There was nothing clear about it except the fact that he ****ed up an opportunity. He talked a lot of **** to get this fight, and he talked more still in the build-up. Turns out he didn't have what it took to "make Canelo quit"

He didn't even discourage him once.

I didn't think the fight was ugly. It wasn't PPV worthy, either. Then again, that can be said about many PPV main events. Lara tends to fight negatively; it's one of the reasons I'm not really a fan of his. I thought he won on the night, but his style makes him susceptible to losing close rounds. The fight was closer than it should've been due to this very thing, I believe. So, yes, in that regard, Landy allowed the opportunity of a lifetime slip through his fingers. It's easy to say that now, however. Before those cards were read, many people obviously thought Lara's name would be called as the winner. I can see why Landy thought he was doing enough, and why he didn't change his approach. You don't fix what ain't broke. But, in hindsight, this was clearly the wrong approach.

[CubanGuyNYC]

If Lara was granted a rematch, he'd run again. That's the problem. #slowlearners he doesn't have it In him to fight fire with fire and take it Canelo and beat his ass. Therefore he would LOSE AGAIN!

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Lara's not getting a rematch, and I don't have a problem with it. Landy had his chance and he got his money. There are others waiting for an opportunity. People paid to see Canelo fight and Lara didn't deliver what most people want. Although I thought Landy won, he allowed the fight to be close enough for too many people to (understandably) believe Alvarez deserved the nod. Oh, well....

[CubanGuyNYC]

and trout polls were closer, but i guess trout is american with huge fanbase right?
and the media?? are they also biased? the majority of people on the sport has it for canelo or see this as a close fight, but to call it a robbery its just biased...
by the way chavez-vera 1 you had a mexican in the polls and a huge majority thought he lost... you guys need to get over...
i i forgot the main thread poll was 50-50 , oh wait is also a mexican vs a cuban...

I haven't called this a robbery. It was a close fight I thought Lara won, that's all.

As for the Mexican thing, it was only one point in many. I wasn't suggesting that the polls are imperfect simply because there are far, far more Mexicans than Cubans. It was just one in several factors, in my opinion. But, of course, I say, "Mexican" and you immediately cling to that as if it was my only point.

I think we can all agree that the paying public is overwhelmingly casual. I think we can also agree that casual fans are not fans of Lara's style. This, in my opinion, tends to make people lean in favor of the more pleasing fighter in close rounds, of which this fight had many. I think you should've focused more on this point.

[-PBP-]

Lara's not getting a rematch, and I don't have a problem with it. Landy had his chance and he got his money. There are others waiting for an opportunity. People paid to see Canelo fight and Lara didn't deliver what most people want. Although I thought Landy won, he allowed the fight to be close enough for too many people to (understandably) believe Alvarez deserved the nod. Oh, well....

I share the same sentiment. Don't get me wrong, I am not happy that boxing works this way and guys like Lara have to go above and beyond, just to get a close decision. But that's just the way boxing works and I accept it. And if you and me understand that, then Lara and Ronnie Shields do as well.

[DARKSEID]

Those punch stats are garbage

No way in hell Canelo landed that many punches.

[DARKSEID]

look at the poll results and get over it...

Get over what? If that poll was 7 billion for alvarez and I was the only one that voted for Lara, that doesn't change the fact that Lara clearly won that fight.

Based on the fact that he clearly outlanded Canelo by a vast amount. I don't care what the punch stats say because I have eyes. Lara didn't outland canelo by 10, it was more like 60

Based on the estimation that Lara outlanded canelo by at least 5 per round.