The 5 Best of this Gen: Who has the Best Win?

[DARKSEID]

Felix Trinidad, a WW beast who moved up and dominated JMW and moved up to MW to destroy Joppy was now in-line to retire the then washed up Hopkins.

That's some crazy **** lol

How Bernard was washed up 15 years ago.

This guy has been fighting professionally longer than I've been alive lol literally.

And he's still a world champion... that's ****ing unbelievable.......

[lebrick]

I respectfully disagree with you - it was a great fight. I think JMM deserved the win.

the supposed 10-8 round for MAB was changed to the tune of 10-8 JMM coz of deduction, and that is because the ref failed to stop MAB while JMM is on his knee..

that round alone is a 4pt swing

[_original_]

Off your list:

1. Marquez - Pacquiao KO6
2. Hopkins - Trinidad TKO12
3. Pacquiao - Barrera TKO11
4. Mayweather - Marquez UD12 or Mayweather- HattonTKO10 (added)
5. Pacquiao - Morales TKO10

[gabrielmolilulu]

1- Jmm vs Pac IV
2- Pac vs Barrera
3- Hopkins vs Trinidad
4- Cotto vs Martinez
5- Pac vs Morales

Should be added, Mayweather vs Hatton before May vs Canelo.

[JmH Reborn]

I love how OP didn't include Pacquiao TKO 12 Cotto or Mayweather UD 12 Cotto in his poll option. OP you are nothing but a closet Cotto fanboy and this thread fails.

Heck, beating a 40 year old Martinez with broken legs elbows and hands comming back from a long lay off isn't even one of Cotto's best wins.

Well, I'm not a closet fanboy, I've been out in the open

I consider Pac's won over Cotto great, but not better than the then prime and certified HOF in Barrera and Morales. Morales beat him and it was a huge fight. The Barrera fight was something special. His Cotto win is top 5, maybe top 4. I mean he also had prime Bradley, prime Marquez, Sanchez and so many other high quality wins. The fact that he [Cotto] didn't make it in his top 2 is a testament to Pac's greatness, even at Cotti's best weight.

I didn't include Cotto in Mayweathers list because he was the overwhelmingly the favorite to beat Cotto. Cotto was outside his best weight, and about 4 years outside of his prime. If he fought Cotto from 07-09 when it mattered, then he could have been Floyds best win. How can the 2012 version of Cotto be May's best win if nobody thought Cotto could win? Part of my reasoning was based on public opinion at the time of the fight.

I hope I cleared that up - then again why am I responding to a troll remark? As it relates to the TKO10 over Martinez, nobody gave him a chance to win. The consensus was that even a 60% Sergio was too big, to fast and to strong for little ol Cotto. Just because Cotto pulled off what nobody have him a chance to do, doesn't change its relevance. He did something that only 9 men in history have ever done - if He has a bigger win than that, I'd love to hear it - but in traditional casual troll tradition, you have hate in ya, but nothing else to offer

[Nation's Fist]

I consider Pac's won over Cotto great, but not better than the then prime and certified HOF in Barrera and Morales. Morales beat him and it was a huge fight. The Barrera fight was something special. His Cotto win is top 5, maybe top 4. I mean he also had prime Bradley, prime Marquez, Sanchez and so many other high quality wins. The fact that he [Cotto] didn't make it in his top 2 is a testament to Pac's greatness, even at Cotti's best weight.

What a load of bs. You yourself claimed in this thread that Cotto is one of the top 5 best of this generation, so how is stopping Cotto not one of Pac's best wins? Lol. You had Barrerra as one of Pac's wins but not Cotto, when you claim Cotto is top 5 of this generation? gtfo of here you little cotto fantard, you just don't want to admit Pac is better than Cotto.

I didn't include Cotto in Mayweathers list because he was the overwhelmingly the favorite to beat Cotto. Cotto was outside his best weight, and about 4 years outside of his prime. If he fought Cotto from 07-09 when it mattered, then he could have been Floyds best win. How can the 2012 version of Cotto be May's best win if nobody thought Cotto could win? Part of my reasoning was based on public opinion at the time of the fight.

Lol, Cotto was past prime when he fought Mayweather? Outside of his best weight? Dude you are are so full of it. Cotto just proved that he can compete at middleweight, yet junior middle was too big for him? Cotto is at the best he's ever been right now, yet 2 years ago he was past his prime? Did you know that Mayweather is a couple of years older than Cotto?

And no, plenty of people thought Cotto could win, much more so than baby 23 year old untested Canelo. You have baby Drainelo as May's best win but not Cotto? You just can't deal with the fact that Mayweather beat Cotto, and is a better fighter than him. period.

I hope I cleared that up - then again why am I responding to a troll remark? As it relates to the TKO10 over Martinez, nobody gave him a chance to win. The consensus was that even a 60% Sergio was too big, to fast and to strong for little ol Cotto. Just because Cotto pulled off what nobody have him a chance to do, doesn't change its relevance. He did something that only 9 men in history have ever done - if He has a bigger win than that, I'd love to hear it - but in traditional casual troll tradition, you have hate in ya, but nothing else to offer

Cotto beating a 40 year old semi-retired guy who can barely walk without feeling pain when not wearing knee braces is only impressive to the blind Cotto fanboys. You don't become the lineal middleweight champion of the world by beating a handicapped man at a catchweight of 159 pounds, but I guess in today's age, in your deluded mind and the minds of other deluded cotto fans, you must see Cotto as the legitimate middleweight king, lol.

As for Martinez being the favorite, the consensus was that IF Martinez had anything left he would beat Cotto, but the poor 40 year old guy had nothing left after a year long lay off and multiple broken limbs and bones.

As for me being a troll, lol, you just call anyone who exposes you a troll. Whatever dude, no one gives a fk what you think. Once again, you cannot deal with the fact that Pacquiao destroyed Cotto and Mayweather schooled Cotto.

Both of Pac and May will ALWAYS be greater than Cotto. Deal with it

[tangalog2200]

This current generation has given us boxing fans some amazing fighters. As always - the cream has generally risen to the top. Of the five mentioned fighters below - each has captured some great wins. Lets go over what is their best win, in my humble opinion - and allow NSB to select the best one of the bunch. Keep in mind - this list of great wins is my own - feel free (in a non-troll way if possible by the casuals) to disagree and state your own case.

Bernard Hopkins

-TKO12 Felix Trinidad: In a fight that established the lineal MW crown that changed hands this weekend, this was the biggest fight of the year. Felix Trinidad, a WW beast who moved up and dominated JMW and moved up to MW to destroy Joppy was now in-line to retire the then washed up Hopkins. In what looked like a showcase fight - Hopkins thoroughly dominated Trinidad to establish himself as the MAN.

-UD12 Kelly Pavlik: Fast forward nearly 6 years, and this was the fight that was billed as Hopkins retirement fight - with no hope of defeating the new MW king. Pavlik was supposed to add another notch on his belt at Hopkins expense, but Hopkins had other ideas. In one of the most dominating performances in recent years - Hopkins ended in one fell swoop what could have been a promising career, reestablishing himself a once in a lifetime talent.

Floyd Mayweather
-TKO10 Chico Corrales: In a dominating effort - PBF thoroughly outclassed the undefeated and seemingly impenetrable Corrales, forcing the corner men to throw in the towel. Floyd was an unheard of combination of power, speed, intelligence.

-MW12 Canelo Alvarez: Floyd did something that he often gets accused of not doing - fight a young, prime, bigger and stronger fighter. He often gets criticized for the prime Cotto, Pac, Margarito and other countless misses - but on this night he went against popular opinion and fought Canelo at JMW. Despite the dubious scorecards - Floyd boxed masterfully and ended the hypetrain. He systematically broke Canelo down mentally and effortlessly outpointed him in his greatest performance post 30. At age 36, he looked better than he ever did.

Manny Pacquiao
-TKO11 Marco Antonio Barrera: Against one of the greatest Mexican fighters who ever lived - these two went to war! Pacquiao's speed and power were too much for the Mexican legend. In what amounted to the beginning of his ascension to greatness - Pacquiao produced one of his finest performances against a certified HoFer.

-TKO10 Erik Morales: In a rematch of their first war, one in which saw Morales defeat Pacquiao - Pacquaio came out for vengeance against another Mexican great. In a trilogy that will never be forgotten, Pacquiao put forth another dazzling performance with a combo of speed and power to overwhelm the other member of this generation's Fab Four. It was a classic battle that continued to propel Pacquiao to new heights.

Miguel Cotto
UD12 Shane Mosley: Settling in at 147 - Cotto faced his stiffest test at 147, the great Shane Mosley. Cotto started off on point - out jabbing, overpowering and ultimately outboxing Mosley, before Mosley could mount a tremendous comeback. Cotto held on and outfought Mosley when it mattered to win a close, but clear UD.

TKO10 Sergio Martinez: Moving up to 160, to engage in a historic fight - Cotto accomplished a feat that no PR fighter has ever done, and win a title only a select few ATG Welterweights have ever accomplished. Considered washed up and outside his element - Cotto gave his best performance has he systematically destroyed the MW King and forcing him to retire on his stool. He outboxed, overpowered and ultimately outclassed the considerate favorite to make a statement - that his time isn't quite done. Arguably the best win of any boxer since...

Juan Manuel Marquez
KO6 Manny Pacquiao IV: In what is arguably their defining fight of their 4 fight history; these two engaged in a war few will ever forget. After trading knockdowns and what looked like was turning into a massacre in favor of the Filipino icon, Marquez landed a counter right square on the chin of a closing in Pacquiao - putting his ATG nemesis to sleep. This win solidified JMM standing in the pantheon's of this generation's best fighters

UD12 Marco Antonio Barrera: The Fab Four at it again - this time, these two proud Mexican warriors head to head. In a great back and forth battle - JMM put forth a gutsy and impeccable performance has he kept Barrera at bay to win a unanimous decision. This fight continued to raise the stock of JMM as a legitimate great of this generation, as he battled back from a setback in Indonesia and off the amazing performance he gave in the first Pacquiao fight. JMM made the statement on this night that he will be remembered as a Mexican icon.

Feel free to disagree or agree - but lets debate it out!

OP Note: Wlad Klitschko definitely should be considered in the same class as above mentioned fighters - I could not include him however in the poll because I had a real hard time trying to single out one or two career defining fights. Maybe its a result of his true greatness or lack of HW competition the past 10 years - either way, the HW King was not forgotten

the pac wins over mab and erik stood out for me as displays of domination...

i love to see great kos but no more than seeing a greatly sustained domination over good competitions..

pac's win over cotto is also great to watch

[JmH Reborn]

What a load of bs. You yourself claimed in this thread that Cotto is one of the top 5 best of this generation, so how is stopping Cotto not one of Pac's best wins? Lol. You had Barrerra as one of Pac's wins but not Cotto, when you claim Cotto is top 5 of this generation? gtfo of here you little cotto fantard, you just don't want to admit Pac is better than Cotto.



Lol, Cotto was past prime when he fought Mayweather? Outside of his best weight? Dude you are are so full of it. Cotto just proved that he can compete at middleweight, yet junior middle was too big for him? Cotto is at the best he's ever been right now, yet 2 years ago he was past his prime? Did you know that Mayweather is a couple of years older than Cotto?

And no, plenty of people thought Cotto could win, much more so than baby 23 year old untested Canelo. You have baby Drainelo as May's best win but not Cotto? You just can't deal with the fact that Mayweather beat Cotto, and is a better fighter than him. period.



Cotto beating a 40 year old semi-retired guy who can barely walk without feeling pain when not wearing knee braces is only impressive to the blind Cotto fanboys. You don't become the lineal middleweight champion of the world by beating a handicapped man at a catchweight of 159 pounds, but I guess in today's age, in your deluded mind and the minds of other deluded cotto fans, you must see Cotto as the legitimate middleweight king, lol.

As for Martinez being the favorite, the consensus was that IF Martinez had anything left he would beat Cotto, but the poor 40 year old guy had nothing left after a year long lay off and multiple broken limbs and bones.

As for me being a troll, lol, you just call anyone who exposes you a troll. Whatever dude, no one gives a fk what you think. Once again, you cannot deal with the fact that Pacquiao destroyed Cotto and Mayweather schooled Cotto.

Both of Pac and May will ALWAYS be greater than Cotto. Deal with it

They are better than him, it's been proven already. I never argued that. You stay trolling bro. You can argue whatever you want, but the fact remains Cotto was a huge underdog against Money at that point in time and PAC has a couple of better wins on his resume better than Cotto.

Just cause Cotto proved that he has still something to offer Doesnt mean that in 2012, Cotto was looked at as a past prime no-hoper by the general consensus. So my list merely reflects that.

[Nation's Fist]

They are better than him, it's been proven already. I never argued that. You stay trolling bro. You can argue whatever you want, but the fact remains Cotto was a huge underdog against Money at that point in time and PAC has a couple of better wins on his resume better than Cotto.

So Barrera and Morales are better wins for Manny than Cotto, when YOU claimed Cotto is top 5 of this generation? Ok dude, whatever.

And Canelo was also a huge underdog, but you listed Canelo as one of Floyd's wins anyways, but you didn't list Cotto as one of Floyd's wins.

Pac and May both beat Cotto and are both greater than Cotto. Stay in denial.

[Fr3$h]

lmao @ putting cotto vs martinez on there
cotto should take a crap crosseyed and you guys would all ditch work to celebrate