Originally posted by Teetotaler69
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Only if you knew what you are talking about, a LW moving up to fight a former LW with 2/4 pounds difference on fight night across 4 weight classes, yeah 146 in a WW fight is not making weight.
Last edited by Roadblock; 07-18-2023, 02:04 AM.
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lol, no one has bigger EGOs than a boxer does. Especially regional level type guys.I would loveeeeee a segment on the black murder's row on who was the best. I'd bet Archie Moore would have amazing stories.Comment
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? you've clearly never boxed and the fight wasn't physical whatsoeverOriginally posted by Roadblock View PostComment
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Jeff Horn - July 2023
BEST JAB
Tim Tszyu: “It was fast and strong; he just controlled the fight with the jab. I didn’t notice the jab as much with the other guys but with Tim it was standout that he was very good at measuring with the front hand and picking you off with it.”
BEST DEFENSE
Terence Crawford: “He was so good at measuring the distance between you and him. He could roll from shots. He had all the answers to what I was throwing at him that night. He had that great defense where it was so hard to hit him.”
BEST HANDSPEED
Manny Pacquiao: “He was super explosive and I think that goes with his footwork as well. He’s so explosive off his feet and his hands just come so fast as well.”
BEST JAB
Tim Tszyu: “It was fast and strong; he just controlled the fight with the jab. I didn’t notice the jab as much with the other guys but with Tim it was standout that he was very good at measuring with the front hand and picking you off with it.”
BEST FOOTWORK
Pacquiao: “To have that fast handspeed sometimes it’s got to go with the explosive footwork and Pacquiao had both in spades.”
SMARTEST
Crawford: “He was very good at controlling the gap. He would just counter you with shots. That ring I.Q. was definitely the highest. He knew I had to come forward to take that fight away from him and he worked it perfectly, he made me walk onto his shots.”
STRONGEST
Michael Zerafa: “He was strong physically. I could feel the difference with Michael because he was bigger as well. He could throw me around a lot more than what the smaller guys could. Based on that he felt like one of the strongest I’ve come up against.”
BEST PUNCHER
Randall Bailey: “He was a decent boxer but definitely his biggest danger was his punch. Randall was a guy, who you didn’t want to get hit by. His shots were very heavy. If you got hit by them, you stayed hit. He hit me with a big shot, and he perforated my eardrum, I was able to get back up somehow and finish the fight. The shots he landed were so heavy. Pacquiao’s punches were sharp.”
BEST CHIN
Zerafa: “The way I hit him, it was one of those shots where it didn’t feel super hard, but it was timing and it landed flush. Other guys I’ve hit with shots like that have been asleep on the floor and Michael Zerafa somehow got up and continued that fight.”
BEST BOXING SKILLS
Crawford: “He just had all the answers to everything I had. His counters were really good, he was fast, his footwork was good, he was able to measure that distance.”
BEST OVERALL
Crawford: “I feel Pacquiao is a very come forward fighter, if he can’t go forward, Pacquiao doesn’t really have as many answers when he can’t really do that. Crawford can do it all. I’m going on pure boxing ability and overall, I guess Terence has the answers to all different of types of fighters.”
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Best long time thread on here. Huge thanks to everyone taking the time to share these!
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Darren Barker - August 2023
BEST JAB
Sergio Martinez: “Even before boxing him, I saw he used fire his shots off from his hip, he used to carry his lead hand low and I used to think, ‘I’ll be able to beat him to the jab, there’s no way he’ll be able to fire the shot from his hip without me seeing it.’ Also, I had done a lot of sparring with Carl Froch, hundreds of rounds, and Carl was quite similar, he used to have a low lead hand and he used to fire it up from the hip and I was so used to that that I thought I’d be fine but he caught me far too often with the jab [Laughs.] It was speed, pinpoint accuracy and [he was] razor sharp with the shot.”
BEST DEFENSE
Daniel Geale: “He was there to be hit but Daniel Geale was quite compact. I changed my tactics quite early in that fight because I was falling short with the shots. People forget he was a decorated amateur, he won the Commonwealth Games the same year I did, I think he was an Olympian. I had to get close to him and that’s why the fight turned out the way it did because I forced myself onto him. He had the knack of just taking the sting out of shots and I just missed, not landing cleanly.”
BEST HANDSPEED
Martinez: “I was always told by Tony Sims that to go through the levels and to become world champion, you’ve got to be lightning fast and that’s exactly what Sergio Martinez was. Not just with his hands but his feet and his reactions. He was very, very fast.”
BEST FOOTWORK
Geale: “Probably Geale. I know Martinez spent a lot of time on the backfoot but it was the way that I had to change tactics because Geale bouncing in and out of range. I thought, ‘To win this title I’m going to have to rip it away from him.’ It was my desire and will to win, plus the fact he was crafty on his feet. If you watch the early rounds of the fight, you’ll see what I mean. I fell short a few times and I did fight out of character; it was because of his crafty footwork.”
SMARTEST
Martinez: “I fought some good fighters but when you’ve fought someone as good as Sergio Martinez it’s hard to not give him every category. He did what I should have done at the half way point. I was boxing well, frustrating the champion and the plan was after six rounds to turn the screw and get going, he done that and I didn’t and he got on top of me in the second half of the fight. I kick myself because I know I had it in me to do it but it was the experience, he just knew how to do it. I would say I was the physically stronger, I could match him for handspeed but he had that difference in experience that told on the night. The experience gained from that fight was invaluable going into the Geale fight.”
STRONGEST
Felix Sturm: “By this time, I had changed the way I fought, there was a lot of injuries, I was struggling with but mainly the hip and there for I was in front of my opponents more having to mix fire with fire. The plan was quite simple, move be elusive but I just couldn’t do it. I was forced to stand in front of him. He was physically strong, nice high guard, typically German, economical style but I felt that presence in there.”
BEST PUNCHER
Conroy McIntosh: “I fought a guy in my 10th or 11th fight, Conroy McIntosh from the Midlands. It was same day weigh in. I got to the York Hall and Tony went, ‘Get on the scales, there’s your opponent’ I remember laughing at Tony going ‘There’s no way I’m fighting him, he’s massive, he’s a man mountain.’ He wasn’t tall but muscles on muscles. It was my opponent. I’m in changing room before the fight and they changed the running order from being third of fourth to being first on. So, I wasn’t quite warm. No excuses. I got straight in the ring, won the first round easy, I think it was the end of the second round, I got a bit lazy, a bit complacent. I was leagues above him and I did something Tony always told me not to do and that was lean back on the ropes with your hands down. I’ve done that and he’s stepped in and swung a big right hand, clean on the chin and dropped me, I got up and he drops me again. That was the hardest I’ve been hit by a single punch without a doubt. I still can’t remember the second round. I ended up stopping him in the seventh round.”
BEST CHIN
Domenico Spada: “There was an Italian I fought the second time I won the European title, Domenico Spada. I wasn’t sitting down on my punches as much as I was near the end of my career where I had a lot of success but I was still very sharp, very accurate. I got a lot of my stoppages earlier in my career through speed and accuracy and wearing my opponents down. I couldn’t really put a dent in Spada, a tough man, physically very strong. I caught him with some really piecing, sharp shots that would have dropped a fair few opponents but he was there, he was rugged; he just swallowed them and ate ’em all up.”
BEST BOXING SKILLS
Martinez: “I can’t overlook the skill set of Sergio Martinez. Just an all-around very good fighter. That was a fight where the pace was low, I was really enjoying the competition. They say the physical chess, that’s what I loved about boxing. I was in my element against Martinez for six-rounds, this is brilliant, this is what I live for.”
BEST OVERALL
Martinez: “There are different attributes I’d take from a couple of different fighters. The engine and work rate from Daniel Geale, the physical strength from Felix Sturm, the chin of Domenico Spada but if I had to single out one, it would be the great Sergio Martinez. I probably got the last good Martinez; I could have done with him a fight later. He was just all-around very good. A very good man, a nice man, someone I’m proud to say I boxed.”
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BEST I TRAINED: MARC RAMSAY (2024)
BEST JAB
Eleider Alvarez: “Long and very explosive jab, exceptional timing.”
BEST DEFENSE
Antonin Décarie: “Antonin had a tight defense and was very good at breaking the distances between him and his opponent, but above all his transition between offensive and defensive work was very effective. He had great defense.”
BEST HANDSPEED
Jean Pascal: “At the peak of his career Jean Pascal had the fastest and most explosive hands in his division. Several have tried to mix it up with him without success.”
BEST FOOTWORK
Pascal: “When Jean was at his best his footwork was just superior. Jean won his first world championship with a strategy based on his movements. When he gave a first loss to Chad Dawson the strategy was based on movement.”
SMARTEST
Artur Beterbiev: “Artur’s understanding of his opponents when we watch video is just from another level. He’s a guy who never watches boxing, but when he studies an opponent or when he watches his own sparring his analysis is excellent. Christian Mbilli has the capacity to take new info on the fly and apply the night of the fight, you can give him many different directions in a fight and he will switch just like that. I would pick Artur, he’s a pressure fighter but he’s so much more than that, his ring IQ is superior and that is why the educated pressure has helped him beat the likes of Oleksandr Gvozdyk.”
STRONGEST
Beterbiev: “You have to see him training every day to understand where this strength comes from. I think it’s several factors. First, it’s genetics and technique, but above all a series of physical exercises that Artur has been practicing now for a very long time. He is No. 1 in the whole industry in this department.”
BEST PUNCHER
Beterbiev: “All of Artur’s punches sound powerful and he doesn’t need space to generate power. Lemieux’s left hook was so explosive. One mistake and the opponent will wake up in the locker room. Out of the two, I would pick Artur.”
BEST CHIN
Oscar Rivas: “Oscar Rivas is only 6 feet tall and weighed an average of 225 pounds throughout his amateur career that led him to the Olympics and his professional career where he was fighting as a heavyweight. You can’t have a career like his without having a chin of concrete. He never went down.”
BEST BOXING SKILLS
Beterbiev: “When I look at it in a global way Artur can do everything in a ring and apply almost any strategy.”
BEST OVERALL
Beterbiev: “He is the most complete boxer that I have had the chance to train.”
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manny is a physical phenomenonOriginally posted by Chrismart View Post
old manny was more athletic than a 30 year old TBudComment
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Miguel Angel Gonzalez - Jan 2024
BEST JAB
Cory Spinks: “He was fast and agile. That was a very tough fight, you can see in the fight the velocity of that jab was amazing.”
BEST DEFENSE
Julio Cesar Chavez: “The way he moved his head made it hard to land cleans shots on him.”
BEST HANDSPEED
Oscar De La Hoya: “I think it is between De La Hoya and Spinks. I would stick with De La Hoya. His speed was amazing and he was very accurate. He was intelligent and used that speed well. David Sample was very precise, he made me suffer a lot in that fight, he gave me double vision.”
BEST FOOTWORK
Spinks: “He was always moving, he never stopped. He used his legs well to counterpunch me.”
SMARTEST
Chavez: “He was very experienced because he had many fights.”
STRONGEST
Leevander Johnson: “He was the strongest. His first jab in Round 1, cut my eyelid. I beat him because I had good preparation. Luckily my blows hurt him and took me to victory.”
BEST PUNCHER
Kostya Tszyu: “Kostya for his devastating way of hitting. Julio and Oscar had a respectful power. [Kostya] made me struggle on several occasions. My corner was worried and they considered stopping the fight, which happened anyway.”
BEST CHIN
Chavez: “Chavez had a good chin. He took all those punches and not for nothing is he considered the best Mexican world champion. I remember Soberanes, he was not a champion. I landed my best punches and he laughed at it; it was very frustrating for me. He didn’t seem to be affected. I had to land combinations and stopped him with the accumulation [of shots] and not one big punch.”
BEST BOXING SKILLS
De La Hoya: “There were some fighters in the first stage of my career who were very skilled fighters and brought out the best in me. Oscar was the best in his time, he beat me and Julio.”
BEST OVERALL
Tszyu: “Kostya as he beat me by KO. His explosive way of finishing off rivals. He was a Demolition Man. Chavez and De La Hoya were both very good, true idols of the people. It was a great honor to fight them.”
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