Bermane Stiverne vs. Deontay Wilder

[MiguelNG]

For me deontay shoed that he can box and move something that stiverne did not he ast another chisora coming foward and doing nothing. summary:

[Szef]

Am I the only one who thinks Wilder is wide open to counters, especially when he throws his wide hooks?

[dan_cov]

An entertaining enough fight for most part but quite pitiful. Credit to Windmiller, he certainly proved me wrong, in fact both guys did and I'd of never in a million years expected that to go the distance.

Wilder still sucks. He is a one trick pony, same 1-2 over and over.
Stiverne - Great chin, huge heart but everything else was a mess.
Couldn't cut a ring off, threw one shot at a time - same predictably wide counters. No head movement. Fought tall for some ****** reason.
Feet looked even slower than usual. Everytime he buzzed Wilder he backed off.
I agree with him he did look flat, incredibly so and possibly peaked too soon. And I've heard all week Don House is a great trainer - You waited until the 12th round to tell him to cut off the ring?
He looked exactly how I'd imagine Curtis Stevens to look if he piled on 100lbs of fat.

[jreckoning]

Am I the only one who thinks Wilder is wide open to counters, especially when he throws his wide hooks?

He's very open. I think the idea would be to engage him and let him get reckless. Keep jabbing him throwing him off what he wants to do so he gets frustrated and tries to land the bomb when your ready for the counter.

Easier said than done. His jab in the early rounds was hard. Later he seemed to be pawing it at times. I think that's when you catch him when he's wide open and winging.

I think Povetkin can do it. Maybe Fury too, though a bit concerned about Fury's speed getting there.

[young_robbed]

I wouldn't call it a 'great' jab. And, wrong, YOU LOVE to say it.

Oh you wouldn't call it a great jab? It was a very effective, long quick jab with snap. He definitely has improved his jab.

[Drunken Cat]

I give Wilder an A- for his performance. He boxed and fought at a nice measured pace. He used his height and reach well and fought pretty good on the outside. He had his spots where he hurt Stiverne but he didn't overcommit and caught with a counter punch (which I though he would). Also, I was very impressefd with Deontay's defense. He used his height and athleticism to move out of the way Stiverne's punches. He also rolled with some of the power shots that did land.

The only crticims I have is that he doesn't have a good inside game and his doesn't have enough variety in his punch output. He's very reliant and comfortable with the jab and right hand. When he had Stiverne hurt on numerous occasions, he just threw the one-two one-two combo, with the occasional left. With the high guard, Stiverne was able to withstand most of those punches.

Overall, this was a good performance and good experience for Wilder. He can only build on it

That's an interesting analysis.

Here's James Akhir Fisher's personal take (the son of Bowie Fisher) which I read on my good buddy Steve Cunningham's Facebook page (nah, just joking about good buddy. But Cunningham happens to be the only boxer I'm Facebook friends with).

Anyone who's excited about this fight and was impressed with Wilder after this fight, must've just started watching boxing. Stivern, a much shorter man, simply walked all night to Wilder with no head movement, never cut off the ring, and loaded up on every shot. Wilder, with his God given anatimy, threw a great jab and right hand combination but little else. I'm happy for his winning of the belt, but please to think that Steve Cunningham is jealous or hating for giving you Sunday morning trainers and accurate assessment of what was displayed. I challenge any of you to disagree that Lewis,Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield, or a number of fighters of that generation would've smashed both of those guys last night, and not to say what the greats prior to them would've done. It's sad to say that it's not their fault but I watched both corners and neither one gave any good info to their perspective fighter to make adjustments. Boxing is dying in front of our eyes because there are limited trainers left who can teach this Sweet Science...

[billeau2]

He's very open. I think the idea would be to engage him and let him get reckless. Keep jabbing him throwing him off what he wants to do so he gets frustrated and tries to land the bomb when your ready for the counter.

Easier said than done. His jab in the early rounds was hard. Later he seemed to be pawing it at times. I think that's when you catch him when he's wide open and winging.

I think Povetkin can do it. Maybe Fury too, though a bit concerned about Fury's speed getting there.

Wilder is talented but needs a lot of work. He has good head movement but should have his weight back when countering so he can react to punches better and so he can put his weight into the punches.

And if he was so fresh after the fight, why can't he throw more punches? He was trying to go to the body but needs to learn a hook and he should throw that jab with bad intentions 75% of the time not 25%. Stiverne was always there to be hit walking around.... Ifv he works on these skills he could be very good.

Stiverne not knowing how to cut the ring off is absurd. he needs to study tapes of guys like Tyson, Frazier and marciano, among others....I don't think he realizes that he was so weak physically because he was running after his opponent for most of the night. He almost got Kyoed for it in that 10-8 round.

[BostonGuy]

An entertaining enough fight for most part but quite pitiful. Credit to Windmiller, he certainly proved me wrong, in fact both guys did and I'd of never in a million years expected that to go the distance.

Wilder still sucks. He is a one trick pony, same 1-2 over and over.
Stiverne - Great chin, huge heart but everything else was a mess.
Couldn't cut a ring off, threw one shot at a time - same predictably wide counters. No head movement. Fought tall for some ****** reason.
Feet looked even slower than usual. Everytime he buzzed Wilder he backed off.
I agree with him he did look flat, incredibly so and possibly peaked too soon. And I've heard all week Don House is a great trainer - You waited until the 12th round to tell him to cut off the ring?
He looked exactly how I'd imagine Curtis Stevens to look if he piled on 100lbs of fat.

Dan, you just can't admit when you're wrong. You're the biggest Bomb Squad (yeah boyee) hater on this forum and when Wilder actually looked somewhat decent, you still can't give him credit.

To me, Wilder looked like a boxer last night. He looked like he knew what he was doing. He is certainly not the most skilled fighter, but he has improved vastly from where he was a year or two ago.

Stiverne looked like **** but when he did attack Wilder, Deontay was able to defend effectively.

[billeau2]

Wilder needs to keep building that stamina (more road work and more sparring rounds).

I am interested in fights vs. Tyson Fury, Alexander Povetkin, and Wladimir Klitschko.

Good point. Thing is he was so fresh aftr the fight....That "fresh" should have been spent throwing more punches at an opponent that was there to be hit all night.

[dan_cov]

Dan, you just can't admit when you're wrong. You're the biggest Bomb Squad (yeah boyee) hater on this forum and when Wilder actually looked somewhat decent, you still can't give him credit.

To me, Wilder looked like a boxer last night. He looked like he knew what he was doing. He is certainly not the most skilled fighter, but he has improved vastly from where he was a year or two ago.

Stiverne looked like **** but when he did attack Wilder, Deontay was able to defend effectively.

I just did admit I was wrong lol
I hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong in every sense but I still wasn't impressed with either, Stiverne in particular looked terrible and massively limited. I think we can all agree he wasn't at his best for whatever reason.
It was a decent fight I just can't lie and say I thought it was a sparkling performance by either.

There was positives to be taken from it and he certainly looked a lot better than in previous fights. I take nothing away from him he did what he had to and took what he got given.
He proved he can take a shot and go 12 but he still needs an awful lot of work. Its a good win, hes the champ, I give him credit but I still ain't sold on him as a top boxer. He is still very green and has a long way to go.