Roach admits it was pacquiao's fault the mayweather fight never happened...

[radioraheem]

This has got to be one of the worst atmospheres for an interview ever! All of that background noise made it a struggle to even hear Roach, much less understand him! That said, I did manage to hear him say at some point that it is both fighter's fault the fight hasn't happened. I also caught the most important point, that Mayweather is unlikely to risk retiring undefeated. Given that he is currently giving all kinds of "reasons" to not face Pacquiao, while Manny is saying 'let's do it', it's obvious that Floyd doesn't want the fight.

I already posted a text based version of 90-95% of what he said during the interview. It's on Page 2. But here you go:


Question: What do you think in the fullness of time, when people look back at history, they will see pacquaio is the man that mayweather didn't fight, rather than pacquaio didn't get the mayweather fight?

Freddie Roach: I don't know it will come across that way. I think people will say why didn't they fight each other, and blame both guys to be honest with you. Because the first negotiation we were against the blood test, and it was kinda our fault that the first time it didn't work. Then it came to a point where we accepted that later on. I think it's both guys.

Question: How much do you think the promoters and the animosity the promoters had towards each other have hurt that fight?

Freddie Roach: Fighters fight to me. Fighters will fight anybody. It's not like fighters are scared. I think it's a lot to do, especially a couple years ago, a lot had to do with Golden Boy and Top Rank. And just not wanting to work together. I remember when Don King and Bob Arum were the big guys, and they hated each other, but they still promoted fights. But I don't know why these two companies can't because the pool for fighters is getting much smaller, because there's two separate pools. If they don't start crossing over, there won't be no fights, good fights.

Freddie, you seem to be suggesting just there then, even about Floyd Mayweather, that perhaps he even wants the fight with Manny, or wanted the fight. But he was talked out of it by someone?

I know fighters, and fighters they're not afraid of anybody in the world. They will fight each other I think. But I can't read his mind of course. The thing is over time it's just like why hasn't this fight happened? Every big fight that's ever supposed to happen, has happened, in the history of boxing. But it's sometimes sooner, sometimes later. But it's just like this one, maybe it's too late at this point. How much interest is there? It's still a big fight, but not like it was two years ago.

Freddie Roach: When they were both in their prime two years ago, and there was a lot of interest in the fight, I'm sure both fighters wanted to make that fight happen.

[richardt]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Both fans sides can argue till they are blue in the face and gray-haired and neither side is going to say it is 100% their fault because it is not. BOTH Floyd and Manny entered into a contest to see who could be the biggest Prima Donna and they BOTH won! Both are to blame.

[mourinho1]

Yeah because offering a flat fee with no PPV is trying to make the fight

The publicity stunts worked because the two fighters fanbases are dumb enough or so far up the arse of their idols that they can't see straight.

Eventhough i dont agree with all your posts, i must say that i honestly wouldnt be totally surprised if years later both TR and GBP came out and said they were just acting and playing their role so both would get more profits in the end.

So i for one wouldnt say this option is not possible...

But that's on some conspiracy level tho'

if this scenario that both sides played the public for years would come out i would definately want to see a movie or documentary about it

[mourinho1]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Both fans sides can argue till they are blue in the face and gray-haired and neither side is going to say it is 100% their fault because it is not. BOTH Floyd and Manny entered into a contest to see who could be the biggest Prima Donna and they BOTH won! Both are to blame.

Nope life isnt that simple it takes two to tango. Sometimes one fighter genuinely wants it and the other doesnt(more likely between promotors tho').

example Laila Ali vs Lucia Rijkers etc...

[richardt]

Nope life isnt that simple. it takes two to tango. Sometimes one fighter genuinely wants it and the other doesnt(more likely between promotors tho'). example Laila Ali vs Lucia Rijkers etc...

It is that simple because you have 3 choices, that makes it a 33 1/3 possibility it is the one I mentioned and it has been looking like that for some time. Both guys are to blame, only biased fans think otherwise. What you fail to see is that it has been a power play of egos since day one and both have acted like the A side. Throw in the egos and power plays of the promoters and the situation is compounded.

[Carpe Diem]

Lol at bob arum creeping around at 615... Dude looked high or drunk

He clearly says that they didn't agree to blood testing the first time, and that was the perfect time to have that fight around May 2010.. I don't know how you can let drug testing interfere with your biggest bout and biggest fight of the era.. So I kinda gotta blame manny.. Floyd hasn't shown much interest since

How can you say that when Floyd was the last one who attempted to resume negotiation? He offered Manny a low-ball deal, but that was part of negotiating, but instead of trying to find a middle ground to work out the split %, etc, Manny hung up the phone and moved on. Now, all he's doing is saying, "Talk/it's up to my promoter, Bob Arum" "My line is open 24/7", etc, but he won't take any action to get things done. Sounds familiar?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Eventhough i dont agree with all your posts, i must say that i honestly wouldnt be totally surprised if years later both TR and GBP came out and said they were just acting and playing their role so both would get more profits in the end.

So i for one wouldnt say this option is not possible...

But that's on some conspiracy level tho'

if this scenario that both sides played the public for years would come out i would definately want to see a movie or documentary about it

I don't necessarily think they were in cahoots or anything. I just think they were both very happy to invent excuses for it not to happen. Like I said, who posts offers on Twatter like Mayweather did? Or Arum doing a fking countdown clock on the TR website...

[daggum]

How can you say that when Floyd was the last one who attempted to resume negotiation? He offered Manny a low-ball deal, but that was part of negotiating, but instead of trying to find a middle ground to work out the split %, etc, Manny hung up the phone and moved on. Now, all he's doing is saying, "Talk/it's up to my promoter, Bob Arum" "My line is open 24/7", etc, but he won't take any action to get things done. Sounds familiar?

no he wasn't. you only pay attention when floyd does or says something.

Mayweather approached Pacquiao with an offer of a flat $40 million, with all pay-per-view revenue going the American's way. The Filipino's promoter, Bob Arum, responded by turning the tables on Mayweather with a counter-offer of $50m in exchange for the PPV money, before returning with a proposal to split the television money 55-45 to the winner.

instead of trying to find a middle ground floyd moved on.

[IMDAZED]

How can you say that when Floyd was the last one who attempted to resume negotiation? He offered Manny a low-ball deal, but that was part of negotiating, but instead of trying to find a middle ground to work out the split %, etc, Manny hung up the phone and moved on. Now, all he's doing is saying, "Talk/it's up to my promoter, Bob Arum" "My line is open 24/7", etc, but he won't take any action to get things done. Sounds familiar?

He basically hung up on Floyd when he was reached out to directly. And then made a fool of himself during the first negotiations (Brian Kenny interview). I was just wondering what the response would've been like if it was Pacquiao who called Floyd directly and Floyd hung up. "He's running!" "Lil Floydie scared "

[Carpe Diem]

no he wasn't. you only pay attention when floyd does or says something.

Mayweather approached Pacquiao with an offer of a flat $40 million, with all pay-per-view revenue going the American's way. The Filipino's promoter, Bob Arum, responded by turning the tables on Mayweather with a counter-offer of $50m in exchange for the PPV money, before returning with a proposal to split the television money 55-45 to the winner.

instead of trying to find a middle ground floyd moved on.

Again, Arum was in no position to made those type of demands back then. 55-45 to the winner was as ridiculous as Floyd's $40 million offer. I guess we can both agree that both sides are full **** and won't agree to find the middle ground to work out the issues. Now all we're constantly hearing is team Pacquiao saying they want Floyd's team to call them, and not the other way around.