Comments Thread For: Arum: Showtime/Espinoza at The Heart of The Cold War!

[parrish duke]

There is either a Showtime PVP or an HBO PPV - the networks promote the PPV telecast and if you notice depending on what network's PPV it is, you will see their broadcast team doing the play by play - stop over thinking and remember the last PPV you saw. Army is a old attorney he knows how to twist an arm or 2. Pac only fights PPV - of course he is going to be biased against showtime boxing - wake up and move on - the cold war ends with people speaking out against it - power in the subscription oops I mean the people - stop he say she saying and look at the common sense facts...

[jas]

LOL. OK I accept the white flag. Listen man, if you dont know, you dont know.

If you want some links I 'd be glad to give them to you, although this is common knowledge.

How embarrassing for you.

hop off my d1k. ive forgotten more about boxing than you'll ever know even at age of 24. i aint gonna go on google to prove something which is clearly obvious - the networks love ppv.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

hop off my d1k. ive forgotten more about boxing than you'll ever know even at age of 24. i aint gonna go on google to prove something which is clearly obvious - the networks love ppv.

You keep talking but have said nothing. If its so obvious why dont you just write why?

Could it be because you have no idea how the economics work? Probably

Promoters foot the bill for a PPV and own the event. They can leverage sponsors or other funding to put on the fight. They recoup all the revenue after expenses (purses, event costs, cable carriers, broadcast fees)

HBO/SHOW/etc. are distributors that broadcast the fight. They make around 10% of the gross and sometimes pay a fee to broadcast the fight a week later. They also work with the promoter to market the fight.

Cable companies carry the fight and make it available to their subscribers (EVEN PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE HBO or SHOW duhhhhh) and make up to 50% of the gross.

So with this very obvious information why would networks want PPV. Viewers are not watching their channel (they are watching a broadcast, there is a difference) There is a limit on what they can make and they dont own the fight.

When they buy a fight for regular broadcast, then only their subs can see it and they own the broadcasting rights.

This isnt rocket science.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

From 2007:

Ross Greenburg, then president of HBO Sports, called the expansion of pay-per-view "the biggest economic issue in boxing" and said:

"I can't tell you that pay-per-view helps the sport because it doesn't. It hurts the sport because it narrows our audience, but it's a fact of life. Every time we try to make an HBO World Championship Boxing fight, we're up against mythical pay-per-view numbers. HBO doesn't make a lot of money from pay-per-view. There's usually a cap on what we can make. But the promoters and fighters insist on pay-per-view because that's where their greatest profits lie."

"It's a big problem," Greenburg continues. "It's getting harder and harder to put fighters like Manny Pacquiao on HBO World Championship Boxing. If Floyd Mayweather beats Oscar, he might never fight on HBO World Championship Boxing again. But if HBO stopped doing pay-per-view, the promoters would simply do it on their own [like Bob Arum did with Cotto-Malignaggi in June 2006] or find someone else who will do it for them."

[BUNGALOWS]

Arum's not wrong. And this whole thing started when HBO wouldn't televise Canelo/Lopez (like JSFD said), and when Showtime offered that gigantic contract to Floyd.

It really isn't Arum vs. GBP. It's HBO vs. Showtime.

Do you guys actually think Showtime's gonna let a GBP fighter, fight on HBO? Do you think HBO's gonna let a TR fighter, fight on Showtime, because of Showtime and their ***** made ways?

[BUNGALOWS]

I'm not choosing side between Wilkins Olajuwon and JAS, because you're both good posters, but Wilkins Olajuwon is spitting game right now.

[rasdun]

Arum always has excuses. Whether its the cold war or a specific fight like may v Pac. So sick of his b.s

[allownoduckers]

I'm not choosing side between Wilkins Olajuwon and JAS, because you're both good posters, but Wilkins Olajuwon is spitting game right now.

Wilkins Olajuwon made some good posts, but he is COMPLETELY off base when he lays 50% blame on Manny Pacquiao for what ails the sport of boxing today. Also, the PPV issue is independent of the much bigger issues in boxing (judging, rankings, belts, promotional Cold War, Showtime/Golden Boy marriage). These are the main current problems in the sport and Pac has nothing to do with them.

[Black Barty]

It's not like the cold war started when GBP partnered up with Showtime. All Arum proved with this rant is that he is a shameless hypocrite.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Wilkins Olajuwon made some good posts, but he is COMPLETELY off base when he lays 50% blame on Manny Pacquiao for what ails the sport of boxing today. Also, the PPV issue is independent of the much bigger issues in boxing (judging, rankings, belts, promotional Cold War, Showtime/Golden Boy marriage). These are the main current problems in the sport and Pac has nothing to do with them.

The sports's biggest black eye is that Manny and FLoyd never fought.

Manny/Arum are partly responsible for this so F them, too. His fanboys are also terrible. You mentioned belts and rankings problems...well, Pac contronuted to this problem by fighting statues that were labeled as giants and grabbing paper titles along the way. YOu think Diaz was the best lightweight? YOu think his belt at 154 is anything but a farce?

The blame spreads far and wide.