Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[travestyny]

Oscar is my dude but I don't agree with him, at all. It's common sense who punches harder. Floyd surprises opponent's with his reflexes and timing, more than pure speed. It's the element of surprise that adds a sting to a shot that you don't see coming from him. Floyd is a full weight class, bigger than Manny BUT Manny is a natural puncher. He is a freak of nature for his size. He punches with twice the force that Floyd does. Every opponent is left battered, bruised, or running by fights end. If you watch a fighter in surround sound, as I do, you can hear the thud on every shot from Manny. He punches extremely hard for his size. Floyd is bigger and Manny is stronger.

In the article I read, he stated that Manny is seen as the harder puncher because he throws more combinations and it is the accumulative effect that gets to his opponents. Mayweather doesn't throw as many punches.

Not saying that you're wrong, but I would give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has actually been punched by both, instead of just listening to the sound of their punches. Plus, De La Hoya is one of the biggest Floyd haters. I was very surprised he could say anything that can be perceived as positive about him.

[The Big Dunn]

Oscar is my dude but I don't agree with him, at all. It's common sense who punches harder. Floyd surprises opponent's with his reflexes and timing, more than pure speed. It's the element of surprise that adds a sting to a shot that you don't see coming from him. Floyd is a full weight class, bigger than Manny BUT Manny is a natural puncher. He is a freak of nature for his size. He punches with twice the force that Floyd does. Every opponent is left battered, bruised, or running by fights end. If you watch a fighter in surround sound, as I do, you can hear the thud on every shot from Manny. He punches extremely hard for his size. Floyd is bigger and Manny is stronger.

It's this kind of mentality that just can't be taken seriously.

[punchr]

So I'm believing u over a guy who has faced both?

I've read a lot that Floyd has good power.

Get off Mayweather's nutsack. He punches like a skinny girl. I can eat his punches like potato chips. Then I'll grab him and body slam his pussy ass.

[Ferrarijones]

Styles make fights. If Pacquiao is somehow able to learn how to cut the ring off and apply a mauling aggressive tactic against Floyd like Maidana, Hatton, Cotto, etc, did, then I'd bet on him to beat Floyd, but he's simply not that type of fighter. It's true Floyd isn't the same athlete in his late 30's as he once was in his early to late 20's, but you can say the same about Manny. Floyd doesn't need to match Pacquiao speed for speed, he'll just need to anticipate Manny's attack, lure him to make mistakes, and time him him.

He'll smother Manny's attack by staying close to him at times. Manny needs space to operate effectively just like Floyd does, but the difference between them is, Floyd is still comfortable even when he has no space to set up his offense, he knows how to punching space and beats his opponents at their own game. Manny can be beaten in more than just one way.


The ideal way to fight him is to mix up your offense and fight smart(smother his offset, counter him before he sets up his best punches, etc). You can't go in there thinking you'll knock him out by swinging wild punches and not setting up anything effective like, Bradley did. You can't fight him by moving all the time because you won't be able to sit down on your punches and set up anything effective. You'll just end smothering your own offense by constantly moving like, Algeiri did.


Ineffective lateral and body movements are pointless. Bradley and Algeiri did a lot of unnecessary exaggerated body/lateral movements against Manny that caused them more harm than good.


Floyd isn't going to jump the gun and fight like a novice. Floyd's style is obviously not pleasing to a lot of fans, but it's highly effective and he doesn't waste anything in the ring. He doesn't throw punches just to hope that two-three land. He likes to set up his offense and want to make sure that every punches he throws land. It's why he usually looks quick/fast when he throws one punch, but looks a bit slower when he throws 3-4 punches because he wants to make sure he connects every punch at the intended target areas.


Erroll Spence doesn't look very fast, but he knows where to place his punches and is an accurate effective puncher. This is something that Floyd does so well.


I expect Manny to hit Floyd enough to make it a competitive bout and i wouldn't be surprised if he were to buckled him or drop him, but if he doesn't score a quick KO, then i expect a UD clinic in favor of, Floyd. Manny's offense can be neutralize and Floyd damn sure knows how to shut down his opponent's bread and butter offense.

Excellent analysis. On the point of Pac dropping Floyd, I can see that. He always drops guys, especially in exchanges. But I'd wager if it happens and it doesn't result in a KO, it'll bring out the best in Floyd. Floyd has never really met an opponent that can push his abilities to the limit like Manny hopefully can. It'll be brilliant to see if they both find out they're evenly matched!

[GOD-FR33]

It's up to you..........

It's up to you who you want to believe. I am a pretty smart guy myself. I speak with an open mind and common sense. Floyd punched Mosley for 12 rounds. Look at Mosley's face after. Manny punched Mosley for 4 rounds and he started to run like NEVER before. Again, look at his face after. Floyd punched Hatton for 12 rounds. It took him 12 rounds to KO the much smaller Hatton. Manny KO'ed him. Manny and Hatton are the same size by the way. I could go on and on but I won't. You have to consider what ex foes and boxers say BUT you also have to use your own common sense. I KNOW that Manny punches harder than Floyd. It's not even close, man. Manny rearranges everyone's face. Does Floyd? My point exactly. Look at Algeri's face after 4 rounds. His eyes were closing and would've closed completely if he didn't run like a 200 yard dash. When Manny fights Floyd or whoever next, I GUARANTEE he will swell up and rearrange their face. Do you know why? Because he can PUNCH.

[punchr]

I'm not trying to argue which boxers punch harder than others. Just passing along what some boxers have said.

“I have to say they [Pacquiao and Mayweather] are about the same [in punching power]."

-De La Hoya

From the quotations I've read, all I can ascertain is that Mayweather's punching power is clearly underrated.

De La Hoya was just hyping up his chin when he said that. Don't be a moron and believe everything you hear. Ask Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, and Cotto who hits harder. It doesn't take a genius to see that Manny straight up throws dem motha phukkin bungalows... and that Mayweather lacks legit welterweight KO power.

[The Big Dunn]

It's up to you who you want to believe. I am a pretty smart guy myself. I speak with an open mind and common sense. Floyd punched Mosley for 12 rounds. Look at Mosley's face after. Manny punched Mosley for 4 rounds and he started to run like NEVER before. Again, look at his face after. Floyd punched Hatton for 12 rounds. It took him 12 rounds to KO the much smaller Hatton. Manny KO'ed him. Manny and Hatton are the same size by the way. I could go on and on but I won't. You have to consider what ex foes and boxers say BUT you also have to use your own common sense. I KNOW that Manny punches harder than Floyd. It's not even close, man. Manny rearranges everyone's face. Does Floyd? My point exactly. Look at Algeri's face after 4 rounds. His eyes were closing and would've closed completely if he didn't run like a 200 yard dash. When Manny fights Floyd or whoever next, I GUARANTEE he will swell up and rearrange their face. Do you know why? Because he can PUNCH.

A guy who loves Manny knows Manny punches harder than Floyd but a guy who took punches from both is mistaken. Geez.

[GOD-FR33]

It's Science..........

Science is a big part of sports. A lot fans lack the knowledge it takes to understand things like, natural strength vs weight strength. Or speed vs quickness/reflexes. It comes natural for me to understand athletes and the Science that goes into it. It's common sense that Manny is a natural puncher and freak of nature. It's also common sense that Floyd's sting comes from timing and reflexes. It's the element of surprise that may hurt an opponent. It's also common sense that he has feathers in his fists. Manny on the other hand, has bricks in his fists and always has. I don't care what ex boxers say. I have enough knowledge to see who punches harder. Floyd is a full weight class bigger than Manny BUT Manny is naturally stronger than Floyd. I do agree that Floyd's strength on the inside is deceptive and that he is also not as little as people think. He is a nice sized welterweight. Name the last opponent who was bigger than Floyd that he fought? See, I know who it was. He is not a little welterweight, like most think. Use your common sense.

[jas]

We are arguing about who punches harder?





Undoubtedly pacquaio does

******s

[AllBoxingAD]

Science is a big part of sports. A lot fans lack the knowledge it takes to understand things like, natural strength vs weight strength. Or speed vs quickness/reflexes. It comes natural for me to understand athletes and the Science that goes into it. It's common sense that Manny is a natural puncher and freak of nature. It's also common sense that Floyd's sting comes from timing and reflexes. It's the element of surprise that may hurt an opponent. It's also common sense that he has feathers in his fists. Manny on the other hand, has bricks in his fists and always has. I don't care what ex boxers say. I have enough knowledge to see who punches harder. Floyd is a full weight class bigger than Manny BUT Manny is naturally stronger than Floyd. I do agree that Floyd's strength on the inside is deceptive and that he is also not as little as people think. He is a nice sized welterweight. Name the last opponent who was bigger than Floyd that he fought? See, I know who it was. He is not a little welterweight, like most think. Use your common sense.

Maidana.

See how far back I had to go to get your answer?