Mayweather has consistently avoided the best available opposition (Great Article)

[The Gambler1981]

WTF are you on about? manny was a huge underdog v Barrera too, and stop your *****ing, I don't care if he took the fight for money or legacy, he took those fights, heck he gave Marquez 3 rematches when he had already won to of those decisions.

AND your idol Floyd is the one who loves money yet he skipped out on 100 million dollars ? LOL come on man, go suck **** somewhere else, that **** dont fly with me.

Why would Manny fight Zab? Manny moved up to 147 when Zab moved back down to 140, Manny moved to 140 to fight Hatton, then the best guy at the weight.

He missed Raheem to fight Morales, I aint got any problems with that.

When Manny fought at 147, Williams was already at 154 and started to slip until eventually getting brutalised by Martinez.

You want manny to fight Guzman? LOL

And let's say I agree that Manny ducked those guys, he ended up fighting Cotto, Oscar, Clottey, Margarito, Hatton, Bradley and Marquez and Mosley.

Mosley was shot, so we can minus that. You can't call it a duck when Mnany skips out on a talented yet psychologically weak guy like Zab, a one trick poney in Raheem, a decent fighter in Guzman and a guy divisions above in Williams and ends up fighting the names I mentioned.

Floyd ducked Manny/Cotto/Margarito/Williams and fought Ortiz, Guerrero, shot Mosley, green Canelo who may never truly amount to anything and a version of Cotto who had been embarrassed by both Pacquiao and Marg.

I find it a bit weak that I keep schooling you. Maybe you should go back and put Floyds **** in your mouth.

Margarito one trick guy and so is Williams they really aren't better than who Floyd fought, Cotto Floyd fought him and that fight likely doesn't change, then Manny ducked Floyd just as much as Floyd ducked him.

That is a very weak take and you shouldn't be talking about anyone sucking dick because you are making a ton of excuses for Manny.

Get that lame shit out of here and give that argument to yourself when you look in the mirror.

[The Gambler1981]

I still maintain that if Mayweather had a couple of losses on his record, this article wouldn't have been written either. If so, you have to ask why one hasn't been written about Pacquiao when he's guilty of the same "manouvers". It's that need to detract from him in some way because there are no losses to do so. Baldomir was nothing more than a stepping stone to the prize that was Oscar De La Hoya. It should've been Judah but Judah f'd up.

I will say that the "he woulda beat him anyway" argument doesn't take the place of a fight. I wanted Mayweather to have those fights, but just don't agree that he systematically avoided them all. Hauser sure seems like he has an axe to grind though.

Exactly if you want to say hey I wish he would have fought those guys and maybe they could have challenged him that is one thing. However if someone is going to dog all the guys he fought I don't see how Margarito and Williams are above getting dogged in the same way they are good fighters but so are most of the dude Floyd beat up on.

Plus no one really fights everyone so to me they are just fights that got missed everyone has them but to say they really make a big difference I can't see it (with the exception of a Manny fight). Also if the standard of ducking is just fights that are decent that didn't happen the word loses a lot of meaning.

[Fetta]

Are you ***in ******ed or just chatting ****, there were bookies in the UK who had it 9-1, the biggest Floyd arse lickers on the planet, Boxnation mentioned it too. You're telling me Canelo was more of a live underdog than Cotto? You must be mad.

And if that was the case then it's an obvious case of bookies in Vegas manipulating the odds, to make it seem like more of a test for Floyd, attracting larger audiences of fools to their casinos to watch a fight that casuals think will be competitive but people like me, who know boxing, said months back, would be a schooling.



He's obviously changed his mind. Which is evidenced by the fact that he accepted the tests. Do you deny that Manny did that? Even Floyd accepted that Manny accepted drug testing, which is why he came up with his final demand, the madness which was, "40 mill, take it or leave it, ill take the remaining 60 + mill" LOL wtf?

I have no problem with Manny changing his mind, accepting that he was wrong in the first place. Floyd and his fans still **** on about "take the test" when they know that Manny accepted that years ago and that Floyd kept changing the goal posts.

The bottom line is this and there is noway anyone can deny it, Floyd has more "what ifs" in his career than Manny, that's fact. Floyd has a whole list of names he should have fought but didnt, it's not as if he missed those fights to fight better names, he just skipped them to fight Victor Ortiz, justify that?

Manny, some say skipped Raheem, I'll give them that but he ended up fighting Morales, Marquez (again), a big favourite in Oscar, Cotto, Margarito and Bradley. I know this is gona drive some of you mad but deal with it.

He rejected it when it mattered. And yes i agree he accepted NOW. But like i mentioned earlier with the arum, bradley, jmm testing fiasco i wouldnt pop the champagne just yet.

Floyd is the best of this era and will go down as that snd i know that stings some of you to admit but its the truth.

Ortiz was number 3 WW coming off impressive victory and was WBC champ. Oh but its floyd so those accolades suck

[soul_survivor]

He rejected it when it mattered. And yes i agree he accepted NOW. But like i mentioned earlier with the arum, bradley, jmm testing fiasco i wouldnt pop the champagne just yet.

Floyd is the best of this era and will go down as that snd i know that stings some of you to admit but its the truth.

Ortiz was number 3 WW coming off impressive victory and was WBC champ. Oh but its floyd so those accolades suck

Manny accepted the drug tests about 2-3 years ago, the fight should have happened then.

Ortiz quit against Maidana, the same Maidana who got beat on by Khan for 7 rounds at the very least.

Floyd can't be the best of his era if he couldn't be the best of a decade in which he was at his prime

[Fetta]

Manny accepted the drug tests about 2-3 years ago, the fight should have happened then.

Ortiz quit against Maidana, the same Maidana who got beat on by Khan for 7 rounds at the very least.

Floyd can't be the best of his era if he couldn't be the best of a decade in which he was at his prime

He is the best and will go down as the best no matter how much you want to deny it.

Like i said earlier theres an excuse fir EVERY fighter floyd has faced.

He didnt agree but go on believing.

[The Gambler1981]

Saying you agree and actually agreeing through negotiations are two different things~

It is real easy to say you agree it is much tough to actually put pen to paper in a binding agreement~

[soul_survivor]

Margarito one trick guy and so is Williams they really aren't better than who Floyd fought, Cotto Floyd fought him and that fight likely doesn't change, then Manny ducked Floyd just as much as Floyd ducked him.

That is a very weak take and you shouldn't be talking about anyone sucking dick because you are making a ton of excuses for Manny.

Get that lame shit out of here and give that argument to yourself when you look in the mirror.

What excuses have I made for Manny? I personally don't believe he ducked anyone. For much of 2000-2010, Manny fought from superbantam to superfeather, in that time he fought almost every relevant champion and challenger, including 3 certified ATGs and 3 of the best Mexican fighters not named Julio Cesar Chavez.

Then he ended the decade by beating on a guy that was meant to stop it and then beat on one of the best welterweights ever, who would, 3 years later, give the supposed "best of his era" one of his toughest fights.

[maguirre]

It's obvious he retired because of Margarito and Williams. They're too big and hit non-stop. He would have been beaten to a pulp. Maintaining the zero really made a huge difference. He would have ended a FNF fighter for the rest of his career. Let's face it, defensive, boring boxers don't draw flies.

[The Gambler1981]

What excuses have I made for Manny? I personally don't believe he ducked anyone. For much of 2000-2010, Manny fought from superbantam to superfeather, in that time he fought almost every relevant champion and challenger, including 3 certified ATGs and 3 of the best Mexican fighters not named Julio Cesar Chavez.

Then he ended the decade by beating on a guy that was meant to stop it and then beat on one of the best welterweights ever, who would, 3 years later, give the supposed "best of his era" one of his toughest fights.

You did about the fights he missed saying those weren't good enough. They were all old and past it except JMM even the first Barrera fight Barrera was not at his best. So if you rate guys on reputation and not where they actually are for Manny why do you not do that for Floyd.

Did you just call Cotto one of the best welterweights ever? Watch some more boxing this conversation is not worth having~

[D4thincarnation]

Are you ***in ******ed or just chatting ****, there were bookies in the UK who had it 9-1, the biggest Floyd arse lickers on the planet, Boxnation mentioned it too. You're telling me Canelo was more of a live underdog than Cotto? You must be mad.

And if that was the case then it's an obvious case of bookies in Vegas manipulating the odds, to make it seem like more of a test for Floyd, attracting larger audiences of fools to their casinos to watch a fight that casuals think will be competitive but people like me, who know boxing, said months back, would be a schooling.



He's obviously changed his mind. Which is evidenced by the fact that he accepted the tests. Do you deny that Manny did that? Even Floyd accepted that Manny accepted drug testing, which is why he came up with his final demand, the madness which was, "40 mill, take it or leave it, ill take the remaining 60 + mill" LOL wtf?

I have no problem with Manny changing his mind, accepting that he was wrong in the first place. Floyd and his fans still **** on about "take the test" when they know that Manny accepted that years ago and that Floyd kept changing the goal posts.

The bottom line is this and there is noway anyone can deny it, Floyd has more "what ifs" in his career than Manny, that's fact. Floyd has a whole list of names he should have fought but didnt, it's not as if he missed those fights to fight better names, he just skipped them to fight Victor Ortiz, justify that?

Manny, some say skipped Raheem, I'll give them that but he ended up fighting Morales, Marquez (again), a big favourite in Oscar, Cotto, Margarito and Bradley. I know this is gona drive some of you mad but deal with it.

I bet on the fight, got some good odds to for Floyd to win via decision. 4/6, which is huge odds.

Canelo was around 7/2 just for the win, the day before the fight. I checked with all the major bookmakers.

2009-2010, Pacquiao was odds on to beat Mayweather, Floyd was odds on too, it was seen as a 50/50 fights by the bookmakers.

Pacquiao was shorter odds winning by KO whilst Floyd was short odds winning via the decision.

During this time Floyd went on vacation.

If there is ever a biographical book about Floyd it should be called the "Vacation".