Originally posted by LacedUp
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Hopkins - Floyd is top 3 All Time, better than Leonard, Hagler, Hearns
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Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View PostFloyd didn't utilize the jab as soon as Sr. got back with him, if you remember he used to jab to the pit of the stomach but he never applied it much to the head, it was when Sr. got back with him during the Marquez fight that he started to use it again. I'm not talking about his tools either, I'm talking about his approach. He fought Judah, Guerrero and Ortiz differently. He pressed Mosley when most thought he would box, he beat Hatton at his own game, his approach changes.
How he uses his punches is different also, how he throws a jab or a straight or a hook he changes them up they are all fast and generally start from the same place but he constantly changes their route.
It makes me sad that some boxing fans can not see it now because they will never see a guy like this again. They might see someone as great but we will never see this again.
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Originally posted by Reloaded View PostIm just laughing at you saying Bhop is dead wrong , I just find that comment is like a lawn mower guy saying Senna don't know F1 race cars .
Floyd is not a top 3 of all times, let's be serious here. I like Floyd as much as the next guy, and he's definitely one of the most skillful guys I've seen - but it takes something extra to be great.
He may be TBE or the best ever as he calls it - but he's not the greatest. or in top 3.
I think you will find more people agreeing with me than not. At least the guys that are serious and have been around the sport for long enough to make that judgement.
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I probably will never consider him the greatest for reasons he has no control over which is because his ERA did not produce many great fighters and he really did not allow any great fighters to ship because he was/is so good
But I will say that he is the most complete fighter I ever seen and and might be the most gifted BOXER ever.
You combine his crazy Natural Abilities to go with a insane work ethic and you get greatness every time!
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Bernard brown nosing for a "Money Spot"?? Maybe the Golden Boy is getting tired of Bernard hanging around! Either way Floyd as a top three guy is so ridiculous it doesn't even make sense. He's not a top three welterweigh so how is he a top three all time. He just keeps winning against hand picked guys that he's watched grow up for the entire careers! Its border line Fix!
Ray
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostWhere did I say he was "dead wrong". And where did I say "no way" as you quoted me before?
Floyd is not a top 3 of all times, let's be serious here. I like Floyd as much as the next guy, and he's definitely one of the most skillful guys I've seen - but it takes something extra to be great.
He may be TBE or the best ever as he calls it - but he's not the greatest. or in top 3.
I think you will find more people agreeing with me than not. At least the guys that are serious and have been around the sport for long enough to make that judgement.
Lets be serious , its an opinion that's all , Bhops is a significant HW opinion nothing more , this debate of best ever is all BS if you ask me , Floyd is one of the best ever and there are many more in the grade , nobody is clearly the best ever .
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Originally posted by J The UnBiased View PostOh, is that it?
This is the same Hopkins that I'm sure picked Ricky Hatton to beat Floyd a few years ago. There's always plenty of this kinda hyperbole immediately after a fight.
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