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    #61
    Originally posted by BIGBOXINGFAN View Post
    Floyd is a fighter too.

    How the hell is it disrespectful to the history of the sport when Floyd is apart of that history?

    Floyd can only fight the guys in his era.
    And he aint finished yet so the fat lady hasn't sung , Bhop is not even looking at resume , that's fanboy stuff , Bhop the fighter he is looking squarely at the fighter and what the fighter does in a ring , Floyd is a remarkable fighter the greatest trainers and fighters of this era are in awe of him , they study his ring abilities not names on paper , these are todays master mechanics studying every nut and bolt that is Floyd Mayweather , fans study names on paper with a inbuilt premise" my boys " name is better than yours .

    The only clear thing is Floyd is one of historys ATG fighters .

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      #62
      Originally posted by Money Team. View Post
      no current fighter can beat Floyd period..dude is boxing right now..
      David Haye could

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        #63
        Originally posted by Reloaded View Post
        And he aint finished yet so the fat lady hasn't sung , Bhop is not even looking at resume , that's fanboy stuff , Bhop the fighter he is looking squarely at the fighter and what the fighter does in a ring , Floyd is a remarkable fighter the greatest trainers and fighters of this era are in awe of him , they study his ring abilities not names on paper , these are todays master mechanics studying every nut and bolt that is Floyd Mayweather , fans study names on paper with a inbuilt premise" my boys " name is better than yours .

        The only clear thing is Floyd is one of historys ATG fighters .
        You have to study both. It's all well and good having skills - and Floyd is definitely one of the most skilled fighters ever.

        But if you're showcasing it against mediocre opposition or styles which suit you, it loses its significance. I guess Hopkins would relate to looking great against suited styles.

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          #64
          Originally posted by BIGBOXINGFAN View Post
          Hopkins is talking about pure talent and skill.
          When you rank all time greats against each other.........it is really based on the talent and skill.

          Robinson lost many fights right? So why are the fighters who beat him not ranked as high as him? Because although he lost, he was the most skilled fighter of that time.

          Ali lost right? But the fighters he lost to are not ranked higher than him.

          It's not about just the resume or wins/losses.
          The talent and all around skill level of Mayweather puts him right up there at the top.

          Bill Russell is the greatest winner ever in the NBA. But it's michael Jordan who is considered as the best ever.

          Why......Because he did things that no other NBA player could do.
          You know how you prove talent and skill best of all? Against other great fighters. The best fighters ever have multiple performances just as impressive as any Floyd has and against better fighters. You think it's impressive to embarrass Saul Alvarez? Try Ray Leonard embarrassing Roberto Duran. You think it's impressive to overcome a size disadvantage? Try Roberto Duran doing it at middleweight. You think it's impressive to win 45 fights in a row? Try 80+.

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            #65
            Why can't Mayweather fans let him just be an ATG? Only the worst of haters dispute that. Instead they think anyone who recognizes he's not in the conversation for GOAT is a hater.

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              #66
              Originally posted by T18Z View Post
              Guys when did beating Canelo jump fighters from top 20 ATG's to top 3? ROFL
              People have been talking about this a lot since his last fight. I think he's definitely top 3, but I can't put Hopkins that high.

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                #67
                Originally posted by bojangles1987 View Post
                Why can't Mayweather fans let him just be an ATG? Only the worst of haters dispute that. Instead they think anyone who recognizes he's not in the conversation for GOAT is a hater.
                You've got to take it with a grain of salt.

                A lot of Mayweather fans are young and in their first era. It's normal.

                Once upon a time, if you were to tell me anyone could beat Carlos Monzon I would tell you you're an idiot who knows nothing. We're all young and dumb once

                The Chavez fans were a lot worse in all honesty.

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                  #68
                  LOL. People get so offended from opinions. There is no official list. The GOAT is whoever you think it is.

                  Duran says he wouldn't be **** in his era, Hopkins says he's top 3, Paulie says he's the GOAT. When will you learn that these comparisons are fictional and everybody is going to believe what they want to.

                  What's funny is the same type of hype was surrounding Manny Pacquiao 2-3 years ago after he had that welterweight run. I remember ESPN's weekly series matching up Pacquiao with several ATGs and Bert Sugar's comments about him being top 10 of all time.

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                    #69
                    Floyd is the best of this era hands down. Best ever or top 3...I wouldn't take it that far. What would Hearns and Leonard do to competition like Ortiz, Guerrero, and Alverez??? They would have knocked them out. Floyd has it all, but killer instinct. Emanuel Steward once said that if guys like Ray and Tommy had you outgunned, or overmatched, they went in for the kill. For Hopkins to say that Floyd is better than Hagler, Hearns, and Leonard shows me he has simply forgot. Nothing more. Its the same way people say that Lebron is better than Jordan. They just forgot. Once a fighter retires and the new guys come in, its just natural to forget how great the old guys were in their day and the new guy is fresh on your mind. Floyd, in my honest opinion falls in the category of Wilfred Benitez, Pernell Whitaker, Aaron Pryor, Manny Paquiao, and maybe Roy Jones ,Jr. All great fighters and hall of famers. But to me, Leonard, Duran, Ali, Hagler, Louis, and Robinson are a level above. Those guys were the event. Those guys made you feel like it was worth every penny you spent after the fight. (Even though there wasn't ppv for some of them) They closed the show.Guys like Floyd, Roy, and Whitaker were just happy with the points victory.

                    I don't think Floyd could beat Leoanard, Hearns or Hagler either. I don't think he would have went to 147 in that era. I seriously question if Floyd would have beaten Terry Norris, Aaron Pryor, and Julio Cesar Chavez, sr. As great as Floyd is, ask yourself, is he truly beating the best guys available or is he beating the more marketable fighters??? The only opponent Floyd has beat in the last 4 years to put him CLOSE to the all time greats is Cotto. Does a victory over Guerrero, Ortiz, Alverez, and a smaller Marquez make you an all time great??? He should have fought Manny, who was considered the best at the time, to be put in that conversation. He needs to fight Martinez, Lara, Broner, or Bradley to be put in that conversation with the best fighters ever. Not saying those guys win, but at least they would make him dig deep and then we can truly see if he has greatness in him. Beating overly matched opponents does not make you great, just rich in this day and time.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
                      You have to study both. It's all well and good having skills - and Floyd is definitely one of the most skilled fighters ever.

                      But if you're showcasing it against mediocre opposition or styles which suit you, it loses its significance. I guess Hopkins would relate to looking great against suited styles.
                      You don't have to study either just know what your looking at , and Im sure Bhop has a fair idea on a fighters abilities when he sees it .

                      Its not even debatable because its just Bhops opinion and because he said it its holds weight , a debate of opinions is a dead end .

                      Bottom line Floyd is one of the greatest fighters in history ,in the end that's all that comes out of it all .

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