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    #71
    I give a slight edge to Matthysse.

    Peterson is taller than Matthysse, has a reach advantage, yet his brawler mentality played in Matthysse's hands, in my opinion.

    The best way for Danny Garcia to win against "the machine" is to box him from the outside,move, use the jab, make him miss and make him pay. Even though Swift is a very good counter pouncher he seems flat footed and, when in the pocket, relies more on his power than on actual defense.

    If something, Matthysse has power, and I don't think Danny can survive 12 rounds toe to toe.

    Of course it's also possible that he manages to earn Matthysse's respect in the first few rounds by effectively return fire. Rigondeaux vs Donaire is a good example.
    Not many tought Rigo had enough fire power to deal with the "flash", yet, in the last few rounds Donaire was running.

    Can Danny do something similar? it is difficult, although well rounded Danny is not a fleet footed technician like the Chacal. But who knows, maybe his power is really underestimated.

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      #72
      This fight is kind of like Cleverly vs Kovalev, except Matthyse has already fought lots of very good fighters and in my opinion won them all. This what makes boxing 2 prime Men going at it for world superstar stakes, their are no losers when making big fights like this.

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        #73
        Danny is going to have to hit Matthysse very often and hard in order to win this fight. He is going to have to be the one to back this man up and beat him to the punch; Especially to the body. I say this because the more an opponent attempts to move away from Lucas the more confident he becomes. Also, the less an opponent hits Lucas the stronger he gets; Particularly later in bouts. Garcia is going to have to earn Matthysse's respect, by constantly walking him down, in an attempt at weakening him by taking the starch out of his punching power with a constant barrage of heavy shots of his own being landed upon him. The more Danny hits Lucas, the weaker he will get and the less power he will possess. In addition, the more Danny presses the attack, the less confidence Matthysse will have too. This is Danny Garcia's best chance of scoring the upset. If he implements this strategy, then he should win this contest easily but if not then he would probably lose it.

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          #74
          Originally posted by B-Bomber
          I give a slight edge to Matthysse.

          Peterson is taller than Matthysse, has a reach advantage, yet his brawler mentality played in Matthysse's hands, in my opinion.

          The best way for Danny Garcia to win against "the machine" is to box him from the outside,move, use the jab, make him miss and make him pay. Even though Swift is a very good counter pouncher he seems flat footed and, when in the pocket, relies more on his power than on actual defense.

          If something, Matthysse has power, and I don't think Danny can survive 12 rounds toe to toe.

          Of course it's also possible that he manages to earn Matthysse's respect in the first few rounds by effectively return fire. Rigondeaux vs Donaire is a good example.
          Not many tought Rigo had enough fire power to deal with the "flash", yet, in the last few rounds Donaire was running.

          Can Danny do something similar? it is difficult, although well rounded Danny is not a fleet footed technician like the Chacal. But who knows, maybe his power is really underestimated.
          Rigo got Donaire's respect in the first 30 seconds of the fight. Then in the middle rounds when Rigo decided to stick n move is when Donaire decided to sort of come on. Danny fades in the late rounds, its well documented. So if he waits that late to get Lucas' respect then he's fked.


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            #75
            Originally posted by champion4ever View Post
            Danny is going to have to hit Matthysse very often and hard in order to win this fight. He is going to have to be the one to back this man up and beat him to the punch; Especially to the body. I say this because the more an opponent attempts to move away from Lucas the more confident he becomes. Also, the less an opponent hits Lucas the stronger he gets; Particularly later in bouts. Garcia is going to have to earn Matthysse's respect, by constantly walking him down, in an attempt at weakening him by taking the starch out of his punching power with a constant barrage of heavy shots of his own being landed upon him. The more Danny hits Lucas, the weaker he will get and the less power he will possess. In addition, the more Danny presses the attack, the less confidence Matthysse will have too. This is Danny Garcia's best chance of scoring the upset. If he implements this strategy, then he should win this contest easily but if not then he would probably lose it.
            Then again, earning Lucas's respect is much easier said than done. Press the attack is something that you can pull when dealing with a guy that cant end you with one shot. Garcia did that with Khan, but he paid for that with many shots landed on him and a nasty cut on his eye. Now Khan is fast, but he's no one punch KO man.
            If Garcia thinks he'll just rush in there and bully Lucas to back up he's going to end Mike Dallased.
            Hopkins said it best, the way to defeat Matthysse is avoid him for the first 6 rounds while landing your own punches, then when he blew some steam and clams down start working to win the other 6. This is yet another thing that is much easier said than done because it requires a slick, very fast and crafty boxer, which Danny Garcia is the exact opposite of.

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              #76
              Originally posted by The Weebler II View Post
              I gave Matthysse 8 rounds to 4, he out-boxed Judah.
              Regardless of who won, Lucas' boxing wasn't good IMO.

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                #77
                Originally posted by champion4ever
                Danny is going to have to hit Matthysse very often and hard in order to win this fight. He is going to have to be the one to back this man up and beat him to the punch; Especially to the body. I say this because the more an opponent attempts to move away from Lucas the more confident he becomes. Also, the less an opponent hits Lucas the stronger he gets; Particularly later in bouts. Garcia is going to have to earn Matthysse's respect, by constantly walking him down, in an attempt at weakening him by taking the starch out of his punching power with a constant barrage of heavy shots of his own being landed upon him. The more Danny hits Lucas, the weaker he will get and the less power he will possess. In addition, the more Danny presses the attack, the less confidence Matthysse will have too. This is Danny Garcia's best chance of scoring the upset. If he implements this strategy, then he should win this contest easily but if not then he would probably lose it.
                Easier said than done. One thing you forgot to mention, Garcia will be getting hit even harder as he attempts to do this.


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                  #78
                  Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View Post
                  Rigo got Donaire's respect in the first 30 seconds of the fight. Then in the middle rounds when Rigo decided to stick n move is when Donaire decided to sort of come on. Danny fades in the late rounds, its well documented. So if he waits that late to get Lucas' respect then he's fked.


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                  Very good analysis.

                  Regardless of possible stamina problems, I don't think Danny would be able to stick and move nearly as effectively as Rigo in the middle rounds of the Donaire fight.

                  He needs to earn Matthysse's respect, and by reflex be able to control the pace of the fight. If Danny manages to keep the exchanges short, I think he has a chance to win.

                  That said, I still give an edge to Matthysse.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by FerFAL View Post
                    Then again, earning Lucas's respect is much easier said than done. Press the attack is something that you can pull when dealing with a guy that cant end you with one shot. Garcia did that with Khan, but he paid for that with many shots landed on him and a nasty cut on his eye. Now Khan is fast, but he's no one punch KO man.
                    If Garcia thinks he'll just rush in there and bully Lucas to back up he's going to end Mike Dallased.
                    Hopkins said it best, the way to defeat Matthysse is avoid him for the first 6 rounds while landing your own punches, then when he blew some steam and clams down start working to win the other 6. This is yet another thing that is much easier said than done because it requires a slick, very fast and crafty boxer, which Danny Garcia is the exact opposite of.
                    Agreed, Danny is not a boxer and fighting off the back foot will be well out of his element. Since he is a natural counter puncher/slugger. Another, slept on fact about Matthysse, is that since his loss to Devon Alexander, he has become a master technician at cutting off the ring against opponents who attempt to move against him. His footwork has vastly improved since that bout. All one has to do is to check out his Peterson fight for reference. So you right about the Hopkins assessment being easier said than done.

                    However, where I do take issue with is the Khan comparison. Khan fought a very foolish fight against Danny Garcia. First of all, Amir neither has the chin or the punching power to slug it out and exchange punches with a fighter of Garcia's caliber. Sure Khan landed a lot of shots on Danny and busted him up pretty badly but not once did I witness a single time, where Garcia was forced to back up, retreat or fight of the back foot because of it.

                    Moreover, before the fight with Garcia, Khan had been floored, rocked, shook and even KO'd several times previously earlier in his career. However, Danny on the other hand has never been down or out in a fight or even remotely seriously threatened in a fight in his career either.

                    So I think that he does possess the chin and punching power to bully Lucas because who knows? He may be very well the naturally larger and stronger of the two fighters anyway. Remember he bullied Erik Morales in their second bout and Zab Judah in most recent. So I don't think that it should make one bit of difference since they are both in the same weight class. However, I do understand your point, that it is a very risky proposition though but it's the only one I see Danny has left available to him.

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                      #80
                      Take out the 20 Cab drivers and I am not so sure Lucas hits harder than Danny.

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