lucas matthysse busted eye vs Vivian harris.

[New England]

That's one thing you really notice on this site. Maybe it's because they don't have a big enough frame of reference, but the hardcore Mayweather fanboys (as opposed to fans) are the most myopic of all when it comes to assessing a fighter's ability, especially his technique.

For these guys, if a fighter doesn't fight like Mayweather, if he's aggressive and hard punching, well then he's a 'face first brawler' and that's all there is to it. Too many people think technique is defined by Mayweather, and while Mayweather is obviously an outstanding technician, that's not the only way a technically sound fighter has to fight.

A guy can be aggressive, and can take the fight to the opponent and still have excellent technique. Golovkin is a classic example. So many of these guys instantly labelled Golovkin a 'brawler' because he has an aggressive hard hitting style.

But the guy's technique is exceptional. He has an astonishing amateur record and was probably the best fighter in one of the best Olympic weight classes ever. But so many of these dudes don't see it because he doesn't fight like Floyd. He gets hit! In boxing of all places.

They have a really narrow understanding of what a great fighter is. They claim that those who like these types of fighters don't understand boxing because these guys aren't elusive and defensive counter-punchers like Mayweather. But it's themselves who don't really understand the sport, they can only see a really narrow sliver of what can make a great fighter. And more pertinent to this thread, they have a really narrow understanding of good technique. Aggression does not necessarily mean crude and limited, it's a pity for their own sake that those guys don't get that.

golovkin's a technician. i'm really starting to like his jab. if he can institute that thing regularly he's going to be a rough night, even at 168. but he is available for contact. there's nothing wrong with recognizing it. and to your point, there's nothing wrong with getting hit a bit if you're gennady golovkin. you're looking to be the more effective puncher over the balance of the rounds, or stop somebody. in golovkin's case it's the latter. beat him up, struggle with your english in the post fight interviews, call him a good boy, go home with the W.


it's not good for your brain or a long career, but you can win at the very top with a very offensive style that leaves you bumped up after every fight. most of the great fighters have been offensive fighters.

[Light_Speed]

ok first thing............you mentioned the marquez vs terdsak fight (i advise everyone to stop reading this message and go watch that fight) anyone who saw that fight knew that it was war. terdsak was letting them fly from all over the place. that can't be compared to the vivian matthysse fight. (vivians work rate was comically low compared to terdsaks) vivian only hit lucas with like 3 punches.......compared to terdsak vivian didn't even throw a punch. and i know how marquez reacts to wars & serious adversity.


all of these people running in the thread saying "well you found one flaw who cares" it's not about that. it's about me judging lucas on the elite level (not just who's the king of the 140 pound division) but on the elite level because I've seen many posters already place him on this level.


how can you even get mad at something like this. if you get irritated or mad off of what i did theres something seriously wrong.

It doesn't matter how many punches were landed, anybody who knows a little about boxing knows that it only takes one good punch to make your opponent's eye start to swell. You were focusing on skin reaction and implied that if somebody swells easily against a lower tier opponent, it somehow means that he'll never reach a very high level. The Marquez/Jandaeng example counters that.

I don't have a problem with honest criticism but you're just grasping at straws because Matthysse proved you wrong against Peterson and made you look bad.

[prinzemanspopa]

anyone who saw that fight knew that it was war.

Marquez beat that Thai street vendor like he stole something. It was a showcase for his offense and combination-punching virtuosity and little more than that.

[Godsfly]

It doesn't matter how many punches were landed, anybody who knows a little about boxing knows that it only takes one good punch to make your opponent's eye start to swell. You were focusing on skin reaction and implied that if somebody swells easily against a lower tier opponent, it somehow means that he'll never reach a very high level. The Marquez/Jandaeng example counters that.

I don't have a problem with honest criticism but you're just grasping at straws because Matthysse proved you wrong against Peterson and made you look bad.

matthysse proved me wrong against peterson? i suggest you go through my previous post (like many have) and see that i picked lucas to beat peterson & i made bets on lucas...........what are you talking about?


& I said that i was looking at lucas much more closely...........(comparing him to the elites) because many people already have him at or around that level. obviously i have to go with what ever i can find. you don't have to know about boxing to know that a punch can swell you up.......thats common sense. what shocked me was through all of the fights that I've watched of lucas not too many fighters have planted their feet and landed on lucas. & the vivian fight was the rare time that i saw that (& when he did, it shut his eye) most guys are tailing backwards and landing glancing blows or slaps. thats why i think the maidana or brandon rios fight would be more interesting then a soto or peterson (even though many will laugh at those match ups)

take it how you want man........if you can't see the break down & the points that I've made (and you translate all of this into hate for mytthysse. & bashing)

have at it.................

[Godsfly]

The Harris fight was years ago. Can you at least admit that Lucas has improved since then?

I think he's improved but i don't think it's a dramatic change...........

[Godsfly]

If the Peterson fight was for slow learners, the Garcia fight will be for the dribbling ******s at the back trying to eat their own shoelaces.

[Godsfly]

didn't i tell you all about lucas? i even called the busted eye..........

I've noticed MONTHS ago that lucas had weak skin, overrated power, overrated skills.

everyone called me crazy...........

[Godsfly]

Smfh at this thread

banned bro...........i wanted to clown you

[Godsfly]

Full credit to him if he does, I don't see it though.

Danny's very good at what he does, he probably hasn't got enough credit for how good a counter-puncher he is in the pocket as everyone focused on the left hook after Khan. But I just think Lucas is all wrong for him. I don't see anyone staying in the pocket with Matthysse and surviving at 140 as his body punching is too effective and he sets up his big shots too well.

I also think he's far more vulnerable when he's moving in from the outside than he is when he's on the inside, right in front of a guy. But Garcia is not going to be able to create and maintain that distance that forces him to overextend himself, it's not Garcia's style, and his feet aren't quick enough even if he tried to do it.

Danny is going to be there to be hit, and unless he hits a home run early on against a guy with an A+ chin he's getting broken down one way or the other.

lol @ your lucas hero sig...............

[Cutthroat]

Green K, way to call it lmao.