Comments Thread For: Marquez Eyes Fifth World Crown, Fighting Outside The U.S.

[PAC-BOY]

If he beats Bradley. He just beat a guy who Manny beat. Although beating Bradley would be a pretty good win on the resume for him, it will in fact be a hard seller.
They will try to sell it as JMM and Bradley have beating Manny in common. But the boxing world knows better. JMM will be beating Mannys leftovers. All Bradley will have is a win (if so) over an unknown opponent since Manny.

[IronDanHamza]

in other words you don't agree with how he became a world champ.
That still doesn't mean he isn't a legitimate 4 division champ.

I don't agree with a division having 4 different titles... it doesn't matter. There's still 4 champions per division some of which you recognize as legitimate champions. Like Morales who won his 4th division title against bum ass Cano.

Nothing to do with what I agree with. He isn't a world champion, he won the interim championship and did nothing else.

It doesn't make any sense what so ever to consider Marquez a Champion at the weight. He won an interim title and has done nothing since, he's an interim Champion. Whether he was "elevated" so no reason, or not.

I don't agree with Divisons having 4 titles, but they do. And if you win one, you're a Champion. Marquez hasn't won one at 140.

Morales won a vacant title against a poor fighter but it still remains that he won it, thus is a Champion.

Marquez should be the first Mexican to win 4 titles in 4 different weight classes but he sadly isn't and still isn't.

[bray26]

Cong**** to Marqueuz, think he's earned the right to do whatever fight whoever he wants! And can't blame him for wanting to hold on to a few more dollars fighting abroad. But
Gonna make a bold prediction. If he passes and doesn't fight Pac again. Think It will be the catalyst for golden boy, top rank and HBO to kiss and make up, so that they can put together pac vs. broner in 2014! Young champ vs the older fading superstar! Kind of makes sense, don't it?

[piojo del norte]

If a champion dies and at the time there is an interim champ then it's perfectly fine for the interim champion to become the full champion.

So in your eyes someone like Richard Abril should not be considered champion? He was interim WBA champ but was elevated to full champion. Mind you he hasn't won the legitimate title he was just elevated.

Using your logic in order for Abril to be considered champion he would have to drop his title and fight for the REAL WBA title because you won't consider him real champ until he wins the real title. At the moment he was just elevated champ.

It is up to the sanctioning bodies to decide who they elevate.

When Morales beat Barrera and won the WBO 122 pound title and then left it vacant the WBO reinstated Barrera as champion, that was the decision they made.

The sactioning bodies can't just decide who is a champion. You have to win it.

If you win the interim title and do nothing else after than you are the interim champion. It doesn't matter if you get "elevated".

That example is not the same but it's like saying if the guy who is the Champion at a certain class dies then the person ranked below him becomes the Champion for doing nothing.

No, they shouldn't be considered the Champion if they didn't win a title.

[LeG00N]

Nothing to do with what I agree with. He isn't a world champion, he won the interim championship and did nothing else.

It doesn't make any sense what so ever to consider Marquez a Champion at the weight. He won an interim title and has done nothing since, he's an interim Champion. Whether he was "elevated" so no reason, or not.

I don't agree with Divisons having 4 titles, but they do[. And if you win one, you're a Champion. Marquez hasn't won one at 140.

Morales won a vacant title against a poor fighter but it still remains that he won it, thus is a Champion.

Marquez should be the first Mexican to win 4 titles in 4 different weight classes but he sadly isn't and still isn't.

yea and THEY consider Marquez a 4 division champion.

by YOUR logic, beat a bum for an alphabet title = real champion because THEY consider him a champion.

but if THEY elevate you to a full champion = it doesn't count just because.

If you're acknowledging that THEY say who is and who isn't a champion then. Marquez is a 4 division champion.

[IronDanHamza]

That can easily be fixed. If he beats Bradley that's a legitimate 4 and then if Rios steam rolls Alvarez which is no guarantee, he could fight for a belt in the fall and fight Marquez in the winter.

Hoping this scenario happens. Bradley vs Marquez is a sick top 5 welterweight battle for true hard ore boxing fans. And Marquez vs Rios must be his retirement fight that's a guaranteed ATG WAR.


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That should be his route.

Fight Bradley next, win his title at 147.

Then fight Rios, win his title at 140.

He wins both fights IMO and becomes a 5 weight world champion and possibly the greatest Mexican fighter ever.

Forget Pacquaio, Marquez concluded that in empathic fashion.

[IronDanHamza]

yea and THEY consider Marquez a 4 division champion.

by YOUR logic, beat a bum for an alphabet title = real champion because THEY consider him a champion.

but if THEY elevate you to a full champion = it doesn't count just because.

If you're acknowledging that THEY say who is and who isn't a champion then. Marquez is a 4 division champion.

Nothing to do with "They". "They" consider Morales a Champion because he won a title. Fair or not, he won it. Marquez hasn't.

By my logic;

If you win a title, you're a champion.

If you win an interim title, you're not a champion.

You cannot be "elevated" to being a champion.

Quite simple.

[piojo del norte]

Cano shouldn't be considered a bum he did beat the current welterweight champ who will fight broner next. On the other hand, paulie isn't all that great so cano may still be a bum... WHo knows.

[IronDanHamza]

If a champion dies and at the time there is an interim champ then it's perfectly fine for the interim champion to become the full champion.

So in your eyes someone like Richard Abril should not be considered champion? He was interim WBA champ but was elevated to full champion. Mind you he hasn't won the legitimate title he was just elevated.

Using your logic in order for Abril to be considered champion he would have to drop his title and fight with the REAL WBA title because you won't consider him real champ until he wins the real title. At the moment he was just elevated champ.

It is up to the sanctioning bodies to decide who they elevate.

When Morales beat Barrera and won the WBO 122 pound title and then left it vacant the WBO reinstated Barrera as champion, that was the decision they made.

Abrils not a Champion. He's an interim Champion.

He should be a Champion, but officially he's not.

What's the point in having Championships if you literally don't even have to win them?

To be Champion, you have to win a Championship.

[LeG00N]

Nothing to do with "They". "They" consider Morales a Champion because he won a title. Fair or not, he won it. Marquez hasn't.

By my logic;

If you win a title, you're a champion.

If you win an interim title, you're not a champion.

You cannot be "elevated" to being a champion.

Quite simple.

You just said that even if you don't agree with their terms if THEY consider someone a champion, then they're a champion despite your disagreement. Yet when THEY consider Marquez a champion you don't because of some technicality. That's your own logic.

it doesn't matter how much you disagree with or how many technicalities you come up with. Marquez is recognized as a 4 division champion. Sure his 140 title may hold no weight with Garcia in the same weight classes but it doesn't matter. Technically he's a 4 division champ.

Just like Pacquiao's joke of a 154 title will be recognized historically and officially.