without the head butts,elbows ,holding and hitting plus low blows,

[2120]

without the head butts,elbows ,holding and hitting plus low blows, Berto would have won the fight with ease. The ref was clearly inexperinced. Robert even threw multiple Punches after the final bell. The reff should have took control of the fight in round one. Robert did what he had to do, im not blaming him at all. I blame the ref. Robert also thumbed Berto on purpose. If it was a stand alone foul, maybe it would b considered. An accident, but when you add it to punching after the bell, low blowing punches, holding and hitting, head butting and throwing elbows, it becomes very clear, Robert cheated his way to victoy. I know some of hou are blind to the rules of boxing and will label me with negative names but everything that i stated in this thred is fact.

berto was the one holding! in the corner his trainer asked him repeatedly to stop holding.

if a boxer is being held it is clearly legal to punch the guy holding with your free hand

No, its not cheating. You guys really should learn the rules before spouting ****e. The reason he didn't break it up early on with all the supposed 'holding' is because Berto was holding one arm of Guerrero, thus is the other is free you are 100% allowed to punch away. If Berto had his arm wrapped outside Guerrero's then it's pretty clear who was doing the holding.

Berto was holding, and trying to use that to get the ref to break it up to give him the advantage. Because he would only hold one arm though, the ref correctly let them keep fighting with Guerrero punching away with his free arm. Berto sucks inside though, and tried to tie up in all his fights to 1: get a quick rest and 2: get the ref to break it up so he can get back outside without having to fight inside. He has always initiated clinches. It's part of his style. Guerrero very smartly used it against him, probably from watching plenty of the Collazo tape, and din't allow the ref to get in and break by punching with his free arm.

As to the head butts, elbows, low blows etc, it happens in a rough and tumble fight. Berto landed a fair few hefty rabbit punches too, and it was Berto initiating most of the holding, hence why Guerrero was punching and Berto was doing nothing but hoping the ref would break them.

If Berto could have won it easy any way, he would have. That's like saying "If Guerrero had let Berto punch him in the face without trying to defend and without punching back, then Berto would have won easy bro!"

It's that simple. If Berto would have won some other way, without Guerrero fighting back, then he would have, but guess what, it's a fight and there's two guys fighting and one guy doesn't always fight the way his opponent wants him to to get any easy win. Guerrero won because he's more versatile. Simple as that.

well said

[NearHypnos]

What thumb? :|....

And whats funny is the punches that landed that hurt Berto were from the outside.... The follow up was all inside of course... Berto has his arm wrapped over Guerreros...I guess he forgot to call timeout because Guerrero didnt get the memo to stop punching him....in a fight.

[AztecWanker]

Berto's corner during the fight: "STOP HOLDING!"

[NChristo]

Without all that roughhousing suggesting that Guerrero would of stayed on the outside ?, he'd of won even more convincingly, the better man won the fight no getting around it.

[boxingfeind]

But when Andre Ward and Hopkins do it, it's called 'rough tactical inside fighting' right.

I knew Berto was gonna get beaten down. I was so confident I even made a thread and betted HUGE money on it.

Trout is next...

No its called fighting dirty also,stop excusing it cause Guerrero cheating ass did it to.

[LeG00N]

Berto's corner during the fight: "STOP HOLDING!"

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[Mr. Fantastic]

Another young, African-American gentleman who got his heart broken after a Al Haymon black fighter got pummeled.

[dan_cov]

Berto was holding and was warned repeatably for rabbit punching and landed multiple low-blows himself.

Personally I loved watching Robert roughing up the dirty drug-cheat and p1ssed myself laughing when he had Berto out on his feet, didn't hear the bell and proceeded to beat the **** out of him at the end of the 12th.

[DARKSEID]

how are you gonna blame the referee for berto's loss when that's berto's style of fighting anyway?

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

People on this forum have become soft. You see two men go to war in the trenches and you cry about it afterwards?

Its people like this guy that makes me sick! I love boxing for the sport of it, heart, will and skill. There is no place in boxing for nutt punching,head butting, and punching after the bell. MMA is where those with no brains and knuckle game go to be fighters. Boxing is about skill will and heart. I like effective brawlers, I just hate fighters that doesnt have the belief or confidence in themselves to fight within the rules of the game.