Double Standards an at all time high

[Bushbaby]

cotto was going down 1 lb from his last fight...tell me, is draining down 7 pounds worse than draining down 1 pound?

Again, is training to 147 the same as training to 145??

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Lol you're just being a smartass giving the guy a hard time. You know it was the wrong choice of words of his part. You knew what he meant.



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He quoted me & said Dawson initially asked for 170. Which he absolutely did not do. Like I said Dawson said he'd do it at 168 & payed the price.

He did pay the price and he has himself to blame but my point is, is that win for Ward good enough to elevate him over Floyd? And Idk why anyone would have Ward over Floyd before that either.



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[Bushbaby]

He did pay the price and he has himself to blame but my point is, is that win for Ward good enough to elevate him over Floyd? And Idk why anyone would have Ward over Floyd before that either.



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Bro, saying Ward drained Dawson is not the same as saying Dawson drained himself. Nor is it the same as Pacman draining opponents.

Let me explain, after Mosley destroyed Margarito, he went to wild card & said he'd fight Pacman at 142. That's compatible to what happened with Ward/Dawson. Not Dawson talking himself to the executioner & putting his own head on the chopping block.

[Bushbaby]

but he said that ward wouldn't budge on a catchweight..so somewhere along the line of negotiation the idea of a catchweight was brought up, but was shot down by ward's team. he may have called him out at 168, but later thought of a catchweight being healthier.

here's another quote for you that reinforces my point...



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also how come ward is now talking about fighting at lhw soon? why didn't ward and his team accept the 170 lb offer?

Do you mean your (new), point after the initial point was proven false??

If your (new) point is that Dawson (after initially said he'd fight at 168), was that he did throw out a catchweight offer, I'm not arguing that. I was arguing that Dawson initially did not ask for 170, which you 1st stated. I know Dawson threw a catchweight out. But it was not his (Initial) offer liked you originally claimed.

[kiaba360]

He did pay the price and he has himself to blame but my point is, is that win for Ward good enough to elevate him over Floyd? And Idk why anyone would have Ward over Floyd before that either.



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I hold Floyd's inactivity against him, that's why I have a hard time putting him at the top. It's also why I don't like talking about the P4P concept. IMO, P4P is a delicate balance of resume + skill-set/ability + performances, and some people don't agree with that equation.

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He did pay the price and he has himself to blame but my point is, is that win for Ward good enough to elevate him over Floyd? And Idk why anyone would have Ward over Floyd before that either.



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Bro, saying Ward drained Dawson is not the same as saying Dawson drained himself. Nor is it the same as Pacman draining opponents.

Let me explain, after Mosley destroyed Margarito, he went to wild card & said he'd fight Pacman at 142. That's compatible to what happened with Ward/Dawson. Not Dawson talking himself to the executioner & putting his own head on the chopping block.

You have a point there and Im not gonna argue it cause like I said I blame Dawson as much as the next person, in a way. But does beating a drained Dawson really give Ward enough credit to put him as #1? No doubt he's skilled and knows how to neutralize his opponents but in my eyes he has not done enough to earn the #1 spot. Like I said, draining is draining no matter which way you put it. Ward had a chance to show how good he really is and put a big emphasis in his career if he had gone up to 175 and beat Dawson.


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[Bushbaby]

You have a point there and Im not gonna argue it cause like I said I blame Dawson as much as the next person, in a way. But does beating a drained Dawson really give Ward enough credit to put him as #1? No doubt he's skilled and knows how to neutralize his opponents but in my eyes he has not done enough to earn the #1 spot. Like I said, draining is draining no matter which way you put it. Ward had a chance to show how good he really is and put a big emphasis in his career if he had gone up to 175 and beat Dawson.


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I have Ward #1, have had him there before the Dawson fight. His body of work within the last 2 years destroys Pacman's & Floyd's. Dawson is just icing on the cake.

[Bushbaby]

i may have messed up on what was initially asked. fair enough, i admit to that. but the idea that a catchweight was proposed and shot down is not false. the point of my post was to counter your claim in which you stated "...nor did he demand Dawson to fight at 168." which is completely false which i backed up with quotes directly from dawson himself. the meat of my argument wasn't whether or not 170 was asked initially it was to counter your claim about ward not demanding dawson to come down to 168.

also why don't u answer my questions...why don't you think ward accepted the 170 lb offer by dawson (especially considering he's now apparently talking about going to lhw soon)?

I at no time said Dawson didn't throw a catchweight out there bro, never. Ward didn't demand Dawson to fight at 168. Dawson said it & Ward held him to it. I don't blame Ward for that. Dawson should have said he'd like Ward & wait until they got into negotiations to discuss weight.

I also never said that Dawson was not affected by the weight. In fact I've always said that weight was the reason he had no punch resistance. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to point out.

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He did pay the price and he has himself to blame but my point is, is that win for Ward good enough to elevate him over Floyd? And Idk why anyone would have Ward over Floyd before that either.



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I hold Floyd's inactivity against him, that's why I have a hard time putting him at the top. It's also why I try to stay out of P4P lists. P4P is a delicate balance of resume + skill-set/ability + performances, and most people don't agree with that equation.

What about accomplishments? Floyd has done a lot in multiple divisions and Ward had a chance to but decided to stay in his division. I understand this topic came up the other day and people mentioned Hagler. But when two guys are tied for the top spot I think if you look at accomplishments that should be the tie breaker.



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[Bushbaby]

What about accomplishments? Floyd has done a lot in multiple divisions and Ward had a chance to but decided to stay in his division. I understand this topic came up the other day and people mentioned Hagler. But when two guys are tied for the top spot I think if you look at accomplishments that should be the tie breaker.


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So you look at an entire career/resume to build your current pfp list?? What does what Floyd did at 130-135 have to do with pfp 2012 considering Ward has clearly beaten better fighters in the last 2 years & Floyd is showing age & has been very careful with his choice of opponent??