Double Standards an at all time high

[Derranged]

Good stuff.

Now tell us how Ward deserves to be #1 P4P over Floyd or #2 over Martinez.


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Honestly, the whole P4P thing seems subjective to me. I'm not exactly sure what specific criteria a fighter has to meet, and always appears to be in debate.

[raskat]

excellent thread. I agree 100 % with you.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Damn so this is what your 1st troll tread looks like ey homey??

Fact #1 Ward didn't ask to fight Dawson, nor did he demand Dawson to fight at 168.

Fact #2 Pacman demanded Cotto at a catchweight, Margarito & Marquez. Not exactly the same if you catch my drift.

Fact #3 Floyd actually owned a 154lb title before he fought Cotto.

It is also as close to a fact as it can be that over the last 2 years Ward has beaten beater fighters than both Floyd & Pacman.

I realize I mentioned Pacquiao but Im not here defending him. Like I said, quite frankly I dont care where you have him on your P4P list if at all. But there's no way Ward deserves to be #1 not over Floyd. And would you agree 154 is not Floyd's natural weight? If he didnt demand Dawson to fight at 168 why didnt he accept the 170 catchweight? In a way that's kinda demanding it IMO. Sucks for Dawson, he made a sacrifice to work his way to the top and his body didnt allow it. In the end it was not worth it, took a beating and for only 500K.


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[#1Assassin]

No double standard here, Dawson ASKED to be drained, Pac begged his opponent to drain before he fights them.

this ^^

i wonder if ppl will ever get the message though. its bad enough they cant figure it out for themselves but to not even get the simple answer through their thick skulls is just sad.

[kiaba360]

Dawson did not have to fight Ward at all, there was no expectation for him to do so. He could've fought Pascal again or Cloud. This fight could've happened later on had Dawson continued to win @175. Dawson took the risk because it was beneficial to his career. Fighting @168 means he doesn't have to risk his own title, and beating Ward would've been his biggest accomplishment. It didn't happen, but he still has his LHW title.

This is Ward's first time where he's utilized weight to his advantage. Had Ward said to Dawson, "You gotta put your title on the line at a catch-weight," I would've said that he's taking a page out of Team Pac's playbook.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Now Ive heard it all.

Unreal.

[4Corners]

How was Cotto drained at 145 but Dawson wasn't at 168. That's what I want to ask some of these posters.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

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Originally Posted by jsfd26

How did Pacquiao beg? Last I recall Dawson asked Ward for a catchweight during negotiations no? At least at 170 Ward would've gotten a little more credit. And how you figured he doesn't get much credit? Ring elevated him over Martinez and some people here have him #1 over Floyd.



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i dont rate the win because the win is tainted with the draining of Dawson, But i dont blame The Ring magazine for what they did, I mean they have been doing the samething with Pacquiao even though some of his wins are against fighters who he basically use his name and power to drain, I hate draining and i dont not agree with it especially when a fighter alway wants to drain his opponent before him or his team feels confident enough to take the fight, I dont care if its 1Ib of weight..its annoying, Dawson was an idiot period, You dont go live on TV and say yeah i would take the fight at 168 then expect your opponent to let the fight happen at 170.

Like I said, I dont care about Pacquiao or what they've done with him. I know I defend Pacquiao a lot around here but in this thread I dont care about him or where he's ranked. I wouldnt even argue if someone had him 4th or 5th. This is about Floyd, Ward and Martinez. Dawson should take some part of the blame but I dont fully blame him. His adrenaline was probably at an all time high from fighting a dirty/frustarting fight and he had just taken some shots to the head. When these things happen sometimes you dont even realize wth you're doing or saying. You know when you're hyped up you feel unstoppable and thats probably what he was feeling cause he ended up asking for a catchweight.

You can also say this isnt a double standard but in my eyes it is cause draining is draining no matter what. What makes one draining scenario any better than the other? How do you give a guy credit for fighting a dude that was 7 lbs drained but knock on the next for 1 or 2 lbs?


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[DeadLikeMe]

Ward was arguably #1 before he even fought Dawson. Pac loads up all his contracts to have every possible advantage in his favor, I don't blame him for it because lots of top guys do that. I'm not going to pretend I'm blind and ignore it either however.

[Bushbaby]

dawson initially proposed a catchweight at 170 but ward turned it down, and how come ward is now talking about going to lhw soon? why couldn't he have gone to lhw against dawson or have a fair catchweight? cotto was only going down 1lb from his last fight and pac was moving up to ww for only the second time and many saw pac as the much smaller man. margarito also outweighed pac by 15lbs on fight night and it was only a year before that margarito had fought at 147..also marquez didn't have to go down in weight against pacquiao he only had to go up 4 lbs from his last fight.

You sure bout that. There's worldwide video proof that Ward was called out by Dawson & Dawson said he'd even go to 168, true story.

Also no matter how much you scream about Margarito's fight night weight, the fact remains that the fight was contested at a catchweight, so were Cotto & Marquez. Save your excuses for someone who gives a ****.