Just saw the Vitaly vs Bryd fight

[Soundtraveler]

JOEBOXER, you had better stick to being underwear and not try to lecture around here about a shoulder injury.

Has Vitali had surgery on his "torn ratator cuff" - no he hasn't - and why is that? Because it wasn't torn.

He quit because he was frustrated and out of gas. It's funny to me, since my torn rotator cuff requires surgery, and so does everyone else who actually tears up a shoulder with that kind of injury, even baseball players.

So perhaps it would be wise of you not to speak of something that YOU YOURSELF know nothing about, or as YOU put it, think before you speak....

[Pno]

I'm not debating which would hurt more or who is the bigger man due to his continuing to fight with the particular injury.
It must suck to fight on with any injury. A broken jaw must hurt, especially if someone punches you in it. It might be possible to still dodge punches with a broken jaw, but it would prolly still hurt like a mutha.
with a sholder injury, there's no escaping using it IMO. One could let their arm dangle, but like I said instinctively, you will most likely use that arm to block a punch, and like I also said, NONE OF US have any right to say what they felt or thought, as it was up to each respective boxer and up to them alone.
Ali is much more of a blood and guts warrior who seemed to stop at nothing, VK is more of a smart sportsman.

[tikal]

Vitalli needs to redeem himself and avenge his loss against Byrd.

[Pno]

JOEBOXER, you had better stick to being underwear and not try to lecture around here about a shoulder injury.

Has Vitali had surgery on his "torn ratator cuff" - no he hasn't - and why is that? Because it wasn't torn.

He quit because he was frustrated and out of gas. It's funny to me, since my torn rotator cuff requires surgery, and so does everyone else who actually tears up a shoulder, with that kind of injury even baseball players.

So perhaps it would be wise of you not to speak of something that YOU YOURSELF know nothing about, or as YOU put it, think before you speak....

wow, quite harsh...
this from Klitschko.com

Vitali continued: "I have lost this bout but I did not lose the title. It was just temporarily passed over to Byrd. As soon as my rehabilitation is over, I will do my best to get the belt back. This will be nothing but a short break". Immediately after the fight Vitali was examined at one of Berlin's clinics. The tendon, attaching the muscle "supraspinatus" to the bone, which is responsible for the lifting and turning of the arm had not been able to take the strain, and was found to be broken.

Fritz Zdunek at the post-match press conference stated: "Just before the world title against Herbie Hide, Vitali felt some pain in his shoulder. The same pain appeared later, during training, but it was nothing compared to the pain that Vitali suffered during the bout". On April 2, Vitali was examined at the "Fleetklinik" in Hamburg, where doctors Atchim Hedtmann and Pieter Bankendorf performed surgery to implant and incorporate a tendon into a bone.


they even give the doctors names. I suppose their could be lies afoot, but when doing a search for the info, many sites back the claims that VK infact DID have surgery... maybe you "think before you speak" as you say. but then again, I suppose that maybe it could be true that he didn't have surgery, and all the support is lies and fabrications....

[Soundtraveler]

You know PNO, I completely spaced the 7 month layoff before the Hoffman fight, I take it back he did have surgery, I stand corrected. - good job

I am always grouchy when I first wake up, and for me, 2 p.m. is morning time and I haven't had my coffee yet. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH

[Pno]

no offense ST

I wasn't there, nor do i know any of them personally, so it might not have happened, but it seems it did. It's safe to say surgery is a big part of any sportsman's life. Especially American Football, can't go a month without your favorite team having a damn injury roster

[Pno]

You know PNO, I completely spaced the 7 month layoff before the Hoffman fight, I take it back he did have surgery, I stand corrected. - good job

I am always grouchy when I first wake up, and for me, 2 p.m. is morning time and I haven't had my coffee yet. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH

s'all good.
I know what you mean about the late waking LOLOL...

every night Cheif smoke peace pipe, when he wake in the morning he say "where the ****arwi!?" LOLOL

[bpapa420]

Look at the rsults!!

LOLOLOLOLOL

you just made my point for me!

and I think that VK is aware of the point probably from knowing some about Ali. Just look at him now, he's brain-dead. I mean no offense or harm, but I feel bad for the guy, he's through, his marbles are sloshed! Ali is a guy who didn't know when to quit and look at the results!!!

Yeah the results are that ali is the GOAT!!!! Ali is known today because of the non quitting mentality. I fvitaly doesnt want to get hurt he is in the wrong buisness.

You are quite possibly the biggest cheerleader with the wors arguements I ever came across.

Yes lets turn boxing into a bunch of scared girls that are scared to get hurt!

[bandito]

it dont' matter. vitali has heart and he will knock out rahman next. then on to byrd if he can get by toney. vitali will take toney or byrd out!!

[Pno]

Yeah the results are that ali is the GOAT!!!! Ali is known today because of the non quitting mentality. I fvitaly doesnt want to get hurt he is in the wrong buisness.

You are quite possibly the biggest cheerleader with the wors arguements I ever came across.

Yes lets turn boxing into a bunch of scared girls that are scared to get hurt!

Firecracker firecracker sis boomb bah!!!
Bugs bunny bugs bunny RAH RAH RAH!!! GOOOOOOO Boxingscene!!!

yeah, we should go with your ideology... take the gloves off, remove the doctors.. better yet, let's dip their hands in glue then glass shards.. or put horse-shoes in the gloves like Balrog.

I guess it's being a ***** or being tough.. or as I'd like to think of it, being an intellegent man vs. being a neanderthal caveman.