There's no future for Linares in boxing

[Porter's Dad]

Fixed it for you.

Pretty sure the Salgado loss was pre-Roach.

I do find all anti-Freddie sentiment a little odd. Sure, he deserves some criticism - and I do believe he spreads himself too thin by devoting more attention to fighters who are not as gifted as Jorge (Khan/JCC JR) - but do people suddenly believe a change of trainer is gonna fix everything? Judging by the comments, it's all Freddie's fault.

I love Jorge but something about his body language seemed off yesterday, from start to finish. I think it's pretty obvious he overlooked his opponent. Of course, Freddie should have devised a better game plan too. And I agree with Roman Moreno that they shouldn't be sending him to Mexico to fight, where odd calls like the stoppage are always likely to happen.

They need to go back to the drawing board with this kid, cos he's so sublimely talented. Everyone - from Jorge, Freddie, GPB - need to get their **** together.

And no, he shouldn't retire. Absurd suggestion. No-one tells journeymen with multiple KO losses to call it a day but a young fighter gets TKO'd twice and the jig is up?

[F l i c k e r]

I never thought highly of Linares, actually the only times I get to see him, he always loses. I think I saw one fight where he won actually which was Juarez. But to be fair to him, his losses came against 2 big punchers in Salgado and Thompson, and one good boxer DeMarco. And Salgado has been pretty good outside of his loss to Uchiyama, he even has two wins over Jrosales's brother, Guadalupe Rosales.


But anyways, I don't see Linares being anything great, but who knows. With good matchmaking he can become "great". Hence the two videos of Pacquiao that I posted of him being TKO'ed brutally before he became what he is today. You can come back from brutal KO's but you need a very good team around you.

I thought highly of Linares but each fighter has a way of fighting. Changing coaches can change how that fighter begins to fight.

During the DeMarco match. If you were Linares' trainer what would you have told him going into the 11th? Being cut, blood steadily streaming out of his head but ahead on the cards.

What would you have told him to do?

[F l i c k e r]

Pretty sure the Salgado loss was pre-Roach.

I do find all anti-Freddie sentiment a little odd. Sure, he deserves some criticism - and I do believe he spreads himself too thin by devoting more attention to fighters who are not as gifted as Jorge (Khan/JCC JR) - but do people suddenly believe a change of trainer is gonna fix everything? Judging by the comments, it's all Freddie's fault.

I love Jorge but something about his body language seemed off yesterday, from start to finish. I think it's pretty obvious he overlooked his opponent. Of course, Freddie should have devised a better game plan too. And I agree with Roman Moreno that they shouldn't be sending him to Mexico to fight, where odd calls like the stoppage are always likely to happen.

They need to go back to the drawing board with this kid, cos he's so sublimely talented. Everyone - from Jorge, Freddie, GPB - need to get their **** together.

And no, he shouldn't retire. Absurd suggestion. No-one tells journeymen with multiple KO losses to call it a day but a young fighter gets TKO'd twice and the jig is up?

Don't you believe certain coaches have certain ways of training fighters?

For instance, the Mayweather's pretty much train all fighters the same way. They put an emphasis on defense and very much, defense from the pocket. Taking time in the fight, never over reaching for anything, letting everything come to you.

Freddie also has a specific style of coaching. He emphasizes more offense. Borderline blitzing opponents with overwhelming amount of punches. Some people I know even refer to Khan as bum rushing opponents.

I just don't think Freddie is right for Linares. The way Linares fought before Roach wasn't an emphasis on offense. He boxed and used his range often. Linares still pumps his jab but look at the DeMarco fight, he found himself trying to trade shots with him often.

Before, Linares would put together a combination, then get out of range. And if an opponent got lazy, he'd drop a hammer on him. I'm sure his level of competition has rose but this is a guy who dismantled Oscar Larios nothing but a year after Pacquiao went 12 with him.

Some coaches don't fit some fighters. We should all know this. It's not something new, we see it many times before. I just don't think Roach is the right guy for him. He doesn't seem to coach Linares to his strengths.

[New England]

Pretty sure the Salgado loss was pre-Roach.

I do find all anti-Freddie sentiment a little odd. Sure, he deserves some criticism - and I do believe he spreads himself too thin by devoting more attention to fighters who are not as gifted as Jorge (Khan/JCC JR) - but do people suddenly believe a change of trainer is gonna fix everything? Judging by the comments, it's all Freddie's fault.

I love Jorge but something about his body language seemed off yesterday, from start to finish. I think it's pretty obvious he overlooked his opponent. Of course, Freddie should have devised a better game plan too. And I agree with Roman Moreno that they shouldn't be sending him to Mexico to fight, where odd calls like the stoppage are always likely to happen.

They need to go back to the drawing board with this kid, cos he's so sublimely talented. Everyone - from Jorge, Freddie, GPB - need to get their **** together.

And no, he shouldn't retire. Absurd suggestion. No-one tells journeymen with multiple KO losses to call it a day but a young fighter gets TKO'd twice and the jig is up?

i think the idea of him retiring comes from the notion that he's not going to amount to what it was thought he was. it also doesnt look like his heart is in it. if he's made some money he can exit boxing with his faculties in check. if he sticks around he's either going to have to work his way back the hard way and make a fresh start at 26


i also dont think the talent is there on the level you see. he's got talent. if all they had to do was shadowbox he'd be a world champion. he just doesnt appear to have what it takes to be a top flight pro boxer to me. unless he wants to become a pawn and get the hell beat out of him he might want to move on

[-Spinal-]

I thought highly of Linares but each fighter has a way of fighting. Changing coaches can change how that fighter begins to fight.

During the DeMarco match. If you were Linares' trainer what would you have told him going into the 11th? Being cut, blood steadily streaming out of his head but ahead on the cards.

What would you have told him to do?

It can be argued that his loss to DeMarco was premature, and if the fight was not stopped, he might have gotten a second wind and keep on cruising to a decision. It has happened plenty of times before, a boxer is winning, gets battered, then gets back on track again and wins. The ref didn't let that happen, and I was pissed.

I have yet to watch the Thompson fight, but I see he's a big puncher, and I read that the stoppage was also premature.

But with the Salgado fight, there was nothing premature, he just got knocked out, no doubt.

[-Spinal-]

He wasn't even hurt. The kd was partly a punch and partly him being off balance because the other guy was smothering him.

The stoppage was bunk. Typical hometown stoppage. Linares is only 26, he'll be fine. I think he destroys this guy in a rematch with ease.

That's what everyone keeps saying, even the Mexicans which is weird, Mexicans back up theirs fighters no matter what. I gotta watch this fight to see what happened, but from the sound of it, it must've been badly premature.

[New England]

That's what everyone keeps saying, even the Mexicans which is weird, Mexicans back up theirs fighters no matter what. I gotta watch this fight to see what happened, but from the sound of it, it must've been badly premature.

he was very much hurt

he gets dropped and stays there on a knee, not looking completely composed until the ref hit 7 or 8

that's what you do when you get hurt

[Porter's Dad]

Don't you believe certain coaches have certain ways of training fighters?

For instance, the Mayweather's pretty much train all fighters the same way. They put an emphasis on defense and very much, defense from the pocket. Taking time in the fight, never over reaching for anything, letting everything come to you.

Freddie also has a specific style of coaching. He emphasizes more offense. Borderline blitzing opponents with overwhelming amount of punches. Some people I know even refer to Khan as bum rushing opponents.

I just don't think Freddie is right for Linares. The way Linares fought before Roach wasn't an emphasis on offense. He boxed and used his range often. Linares still pumps his jab but look at the DeMarco fight, he found himself trying to trade shots with him often.

Before, Linares would put together a combination, then get out of range. And if an opponent got lazy, he'd drop a hammer on him. I'm sure his level of competition has rose but this is a guy who dismantled Oscar Larios nothing but a year after Pacquiao went 12 with him.

Some coaches don't fit some fighters. We should all know this. It's not something new, we see it many times before. I just don't think Roach is the right guy for him. He doesn't seem to coach Linares to his strengths.

Freddie has said himself that his approach to fighters is not to change their style - but to use what they have, their strengths, and enhance those.

I don't see too many differences between the Linares who fought Larios with the one from the DeMarco fight - just the opponent. DeMarco drew him into that kind of fight.

You're right, Freddie may not be the right fit for him (and like I've said, I think Roach spreads himself too thin) but I just feel the criticism of Roach is a little OTT. It detracts from other factors that are to blame.

It's always the same - a good fighter loses and people say he should hook up with the Mayweathers (what has either done recently beside Floyd), Steward, or the hot trainer of the moment (Garcia right now).

[Roman Moreno]

Then please explain how golden boy changed his performance.

I have already explained how Golden Boy has been incompetent and made head scratching moves.

You're saying that all 3 of Linares losses has come after he started working with Roach....That's false.

I'm saying that all 3 of Linares loss came after signing with Golden Boy....That is a fact.

So again you didn't fix anything now did you?

[Mars Volta]

That's what everyone keeps saying, even the Mexicans which is weird, Mexicans back up theirs fighters no matter what. I gotta watch this fight to see what happened, but from the sound of it, it must've been badly premature.