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    #61
    Originally posted by twosweethooks View Post
    You may very well be right and you brought back memorys of Arum making Hagler wait and I remember the feeling of that thought and hating it.

    Arum and KING drove me nuts in those days as Arum does today.

    Take the Ali Frazier fight. I had seen nearly every fight live(screen or tv) of Cassius Clay but his win over Sonny Liston, and just a few more. The first fight I saw was taped delayed of him and Doug Jones on Gillette Friday nite fights . Many in that day in the news papers said Clay LOST ! I have to be honest here and say when I saw it then as a small boy that it was a toss up, the same as Pac and JMM. Clay went on to win the champeenship and Jones did not.

    In the time Ali was making his comeback from the Nam mess I felt from all I could read in the papers he WASN'T taking Frazier serious enough(Frazier was killing everyone in the ring) and for the first time I said Ali would lose and didn't even go to the sportatorium to watch this great FIGHT,,,,,OH HOW DUMB THAT WAS !!!!!!!!! I have regreted that forever !!!

    I always felt Hagler won or should have won that Leonard fight and was convinced he would if he came out fighting like he did against Hearns. I saw the Hearns fight from a sportatorium or whatever they call it in Cinn OHIO where 5000 fans were screaming to the top of their lungs !!!!!!! YOU could not hear yourself !! We were all standing, I looked over at a young black lady in near tears cause her man Hearns was getting killed !!! In the Leonard fight that 5 year wait killed it for Hagler as well as not taking the fight to Leonard in the beginning.

    Little things can give you the loss.

    Back in the day , I never paid attention to the money aspect like it is lifted up today, I could care less who gets what, I want to see warriors get in the ring and see who is the best.

    I love the training , the attitude of the fighter and that makes the difference, not the mouth. Ali was silly on purpose to bring in more money but MAN could he fight !!!! To watch him fight and get better every fight was supreme, but man that 3 year layoff during the vietnam era took its toll. He took on all comers.

    The 3 year wait so far for Pac and JR is like the lay off, they both are leaving their prime and its bad for boxing and slaying me.
    The little things always matter and some fans don't get it. They don't understand the difference in 18x18 ring and a 20x20 ring for example.

    Hagler is my favorite. I thought he should've won too. But Marvin was too angry about the past and wanted to get paid because of how he came up. Cost him so much.

    You have to pay more attention to the business aspect of things. This is where floyd doesn't get enough credit IMO. As fans we think only about ourselves and our entertainment. But what about after your done?

    Floyd began to cash out much earlier than other great fighters. But I can't blame him. I don't ever want to see another Ali-Berbick, or Meldrick Taylor fighting in dumps just to eat while ARum and King can afford world class treatment for their ailments as they age.

    This fight could've been epic. But like most fights since SRL/Hagler, Bob delays them to maximize his profit, not the fighters profit. So if floyd waits another year for manny to leave top rank to fight so be it.

    Fighters deserve to reap the bulk of the profits of the highest grossing fight in history, not promoters. So I hope floyd waits until Manny leaves TR and then they fight. If its too late for some fans fine with me. If that makes me any sorta d!ickrider or whatever else fine.

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      #62
      Originally posted by twosweethooks View Post
      Ok , all I am trying to say is who is out there in the WWs that Pac has refused, I can't think of none .

      Berto ? Roach was gonna make Berto a sparring partner and that fell flat.

      Pac has not turned down anyone or gone on vacation or retirement,,THIS is NEW to boxing or maybe it is NOT. Leonard retired and proclaimed it from the ring disappointing not only Hagler but ME and millions of other fans. You will have to forgive me I am pulling this up from memory and not from articles. But Leonard did have retina problems which had me sad because that is a legit excuse not to fight.

      I am saying if Jr had wanted to fight COTTO back a few years ago he would have and if he had wanted to fight Margo he would have, he didn't want too.

      The reason I am so down on Floyd as a FIGHTER is :

      WHAT in the #### is that all about ?? I came from the era of fighters fought and if you didn't you were weeded out like rat now ! So it has come that Jr wants to protect that 0. What in the #### is that about ??????

      GET in the #### Ring and get it ON !!!!!!!
      I just don't think its that simple anymore. We are in a star driven society, especially in sports.

      You and I came from an era that paid more money for better fights. We are now in the era of stars and have been in this era since Tyson became the man. PPV has also changed the state of the game.

      SRL and Hagler made $10 mil to fight each other. Tyson made $25 mil to fight Buster. ODH got paid because teenage girls bought PPV. Floyd got his dollars up as a result of 24/7 not great victories. Klits can make millions beating up undersized dark skinned cruserweights. JCC and Caneloi make more in a year than Hearns made through the Hagler fight.

      Remember when there was no IBF or WBO?

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        #63
        Originally posted by JoeMan View Post
        Well, if Floyd fans are more interested in making sure their idol gets the bigger split and not the fight what can I say? Fight is not happening because of it. If you want to blame Pacman that's your choice. If you're content the fight doesn't happen, we'll just leave it at that. Just wondering why you guys are more interested in satisfying Floyd's greed of money than seeing him humiliate the Pacman in the ring considering you're the same folks who kept polluting this site that Floyd would surely win this fight. Especially when you know you're not getting any portion of that split. It just doesn't make sense from a fan perspective.

        all the thousands of posts on this board, every racist you tube video, every countdown clock, every inetrview, every OST allegation, every funny pic, every ***** or ******* insult, all the gay jokes, every article, every banned poster, every new alt and 95% of your and my posts, ALL OF IT, never would have occured if Manny accepted the deal in dec 2009 that he is open to signing today.

        That is a fact you can not change.

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          #64
          Just stop talking about Manny/Floyd....PLEASE!

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            #65
            Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
            I just don't think its that simple anymore. We are in a star driven society, especially in sports.

            You and I came from an era that paid more money for better fights. We are now in the era of stars and have been in this era since Tyson became the man. PPV has also changed the state of the game.

            SRL and Hagler made $10 mil to fight each other. Tyson made $25 mil to fight Buster. ODH got paid because teenage girls bought PPV. Floyd got his dollars up as a result of 24/7 not great victories. Klits can make millions beating up undersized dark skinned cruserweights. JCC and Caneloi make more in a year than Hearns made through the Hagler fight.

            Remember when there was no IBF or WBO?
            Say Mang,

            I like your last two posts, this is good stuff. Yes I remember when there were no IBF and WBO,,,,I remember when the lineal championship was the only championship worth talking about.

            My dad was a fighter not pro but amateur and in the Navy, I learned boxing from him, there was never talk of WBC or WBA it was always the man that beat the man.

            By the way he is 92 and he still says and SAID way before most were born that post on boxing scene that the greatest fighter he ever saw was SRR and he had tremendous regard for JOE LOUIS.

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              #66
              Originally posted by twosweethooks View Post
              Say Mang,

              I like your last two posts, this is good stuff. Yes I remember when there were no IBF and WBO,,,,I remember when the lineal championship was the only championship worth talking about.

              My dad was a fighter not pro but amateur and in the Navy, I learned boxing from him, there was never talk of WBC or WBA it was always the man that beat the man.

              By the way he is 92 and he still says and SAID way before most were born that post on boxing scene that the greatest fighter he ever saw was SRR and he had tremendous regard for JOE LOUIS.
              Damn thats good **** dude! I wish him another 92 yrs.

              I used to go afterschool to womans house until my parents got off of work. Next door lived the parents of a guy who worked with Murad Muhammad and put on fights in Newark, NJ. I'd listen to those old guys talk boxing whenever I went over to eat his mom's cooking, she was a caterer.

              1st fight I really rember was mike weaver v john tate. Friday night on ABC. Weaver's down like 13 rds to 1 then KOs tate in the 15th rd. I was hooked!

              Thats why when some clowns say I'm not a boxing fan i just laugh sometimes.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                all the thousands of posts on this board, every racist you tube video, every countdown clock, every inetrview, every OST allegation, every funny pic, every ***** or ******* insult, all the gay jokes, every article, every banned poster, every new alt and 95% of your and my posts, ALL OF IT, never would have occured if Manny accepted the deal in dec 2009 that he is open to signing today.

                That is a fact you can not change.
                You and I are not perfect. People did things in the past they're not proud of. They learn from mistakes. They do something about them and not dwell on them. Floyd is no longer a child who has no capability to make any kind of compromise that is agreeable to the other side. He can't just say take it and expect the other side to accept it hook, line and sinker. If the fight doesn't happen the first time, you take a different approach in a mature and diplomatic manner. Pacman did take the heat from the mainstream media for not accepting the 14 day cut-off. He was crucified for it. But that's been three years ago. But you prefer to dwell on it because it suits you and it protects your idol.

                Anyway, all these will be a thing of the past years from now. Bottom line really is if a fighter is interested in fighting another fighter there's no excuse in the world why he can't. People are wise enough to see that. Again, we'll just leave it at that.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by JoeMan View Post
                  You and I are not perfect. People did things in the past they're not proud of. They learn from mistakes. They do something about them and not dwell on them. Floyd is no longer a child who has no capability to make any kind of compromise that is agreeable to the other side. He can't just say take it and expect the other side to accept it hook, line and sinker. If the fight doesn't happen the first time, you take a different approach in a mature and diplomatic manner. Pacman did take the heat from the mainstream media for not accepting the 14 day cut-off. He was crucified for it. But that's been three years ago. But you prefer to dwell on it because it suits you and it protects your idol.

                  Anyway, all these will be a thing of the past years from now. Bottom line really is if a fighter is interested in fighting another fighter there's no excuse in the world why he can't. People are wise enough to see that. Again, we'll just leave it at that.

                  I'm not dwelling on it I am simply making an irrefutable point about the dynamics of making this fight.

                  Floyd is no longer a child who has no capability to make any kind of compromise that is agreeable to the other side. He can't just say take it and expect the other side to accept it hook, line and sinker. If the fight doesn't happen the first time, you take a different approach in a mature and diplomatic manner..

                  floyd did that when he went from 0 to 24 to 14 days and manny still wouldn't agree to the deal. Only in May, a full 5 months later, did he say o days or no deal. you are fine with manny telling floyd to **** off but then get mad at floyd for doing the same thing to manny. The only thing more nauseating then your love of manny is your blatant hypocricy.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                    I'm not dwelling on it I am simply making an irrefutable point about the dynamics of making this fight.

                    Floyd is no longer a child who has no capability to make any kind of compromise that is agreeable to the other side. He can't just say take it and expect the other side to accept it hook, line and sinker. If the fight doesn't happen the first time, you take a different approach in a mature and diplomatic manner..

                    floyd did that when he went from 0 to 24 to 14 days and manny still wouldn't agree to the deal. Only in May, a full 5 months later, did he say o days or no deal. you are fine with manny telling floyd to **** off but then get mad at floyd for doing the same thing to manny. The only thing more nauseating then your love of manny is your blatant hypocricy.
                    I'm not interested in the fight anymore. Just from lurking in this site for a couple of weeks I got it that Floyd fans are more into the mind games rather than the actual fight. They'll blame anyone but Floyd. I blame Manny for not agreeing to the test the first time. Floyd would have been exposed much earlier, not to sound repetitious, but the evidence is all over the place. I believe that Floyd would have come up with another roadblock. So, what I'm playing now is mind games just like you guys are playing. If I were still interested in the fight, I would have been amenable to Pac accepting every demand Floyd dumps along the way -- tests after every round, no training in Pacman's country, OST spies, Floyd getting 80 split, his choice of date and venue, last to be introduced in the ring, bigger billing, you name it. The hell with it. Give Floyd what he wants and get the fight over with. Who really cares about who gets the bigger split and all that crap anyway if you're a mere fan whose only normal interest is seeing fights in the ring?

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by JoeMan View Post
                      I'm not interested in the fight anymore. Just from lurking in this site for a couple of weeks I got it that Floyd fans are more into the mind games rather than the actual fight. They'll blame anyone but Floyd. I blame Manny for not agreeing to the test the first time. Floyd would have been exposed much earlier, not to sound repetitious, but the evidence is all over the place. I believe that Floyd would have come up with another roadblock. So, what I'm playing now is mind games just like you guys are playing. If I were still interested in the fight, I would have been amenable to Pac accepting every demand Floyd dumps along the way -- tests after every round, no training in Pacman's country, OST spies, Floyd getting 80 split, his choice of date and venue, last to be introduced in the ring, bigger billing, you name it. The hell with it. Give Floyd what he wants and get the fight over with. Who really cares about who gets the bigger split and all that crap anyway if you're a mere fan whose only normal interest is seeing fights in the ring?

                      If you are not interested in the fight anymore good. Bottom line is Manny balked at a great deal thinking he could leverage for more. SO floyd took the same hard line manny originally took. It shouldn't have gotten to that.

                      Manny has held out for 3 years expecting a better deal when he had a the best deal at the beginning. Now, with his tax problems and debt, he may be forced to take a worse deal.
                      Posters like you applauded him for doing so. Now you applaud him for his willingness to accept the same deal 3 years later. More hypocricy.

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