Why isn't Pac fighting Bradley at his strongest/most proven weight (140)?

[Rome-By-Ko]

What the **** has Abregu done? He's done nothing in his career of any note.

His performance against Top 10 WW Berto and Top 10 P4P Hatton, yes eclipses what Abregu has done (Nothing)

The fact the beat Berto clearly just takes it further.

The Hatton fight was very close IMO and many felt Collazo won. More than the amount that felt Hatton won.

That itself is more than Abregu can say about his career.




Where did I say that? Please, quote me.

Peterson and Abregu are simply not the same on any level.

Peterson put up a good performance against Ortiz, more than Abregu has ever done. Infact, beating Victor Cayo is better than anything Abregu has ever done.

A risk in fighting Abregu? Based on?



He beat Berto clearly. The majority of people adknowledge it.

Either way, the fact he "arguably" beat him and the majority of people feel he beat him is better than any win Abregu has.

That alone.

The only reason you are saying this about Abregu is because he fought Bradley. That's it.

It was a tune up, to test the water at 147 against a fighter who's done nothing in his career and never will.

It's as simple as that.

I was waiting for you to say the only reason I'm defending Abregu had to do with Bradley..It really does not tho,I've been high on Abregu before he fought Bradley..I'll give it to you like this,I don't count none wins bro,sorry I just don't do it..if ya lost ya lost unless it was a true robbery(not like some claim are robbery's that were nothing more then a close fight)..I did not feel the Berto Collazo fight was a robbery,and judging the fact you have not called the fight a robbery I take it you don't either..So let's just deal with facts and who are these two fighters better victory's..

For Collazo his best win was Miguel Gonzalez..Who??

Abregu's best win was Richard Gutierrez..Who??

Exactly,like I said from the very start,neither has accomplish much of nothing...

[Rome-By-Ko]

I rest my case.

He's more accomplished and he's a better fighter.

The Berto fight was hardly even close. Collazo won the fight clearly.

And who the **** said anything about Collazo getting a victory over Abregu??

That's what I've been talking about from the very start,duh...You came in on some of my comments that I made about thinking Abregu would beat him...Then accomplishments came in so that most could try to prove Collazo would win based on that..

[Yogi007]

True, Pac is going to be Pac at 140 or 147; it doesn't matter. I understand that.

But there is absolutely nothing that tells us that Bradley will be the same Bradley from 140 at 147.

Why, because he beat Abregu at 147?

Why, because that's 7 pounds he doesn't have to cut?

Give me a break. There's nothing that says that Bradley has been having Chavez Jr like troubles making weight. Sure, no one likes cutting weight, but mostly all boxers have to do it anyway. He fought at 147 against Abregu. Why did he go back down to 140 the next fight; why not stay at 147?

Point is, if Team Pac wanted to make the fight at 140 (Bradley's proven best), they can do it. Heck Bradley is so desparate for a pay day, if Team Pac changed the fight weight to 140 right now, I'm sure he'll gladly accept. Bradley is just trying to get it at all costs.

I understand where you are trying to go with that, but Abregu is a naturally bigger guy then most all of the people that Bradley had to fight at 140. It is the size of his opponent that made the difference in that fight.

I just don't get where you think that if Bradley has to dehydrate 20 pounds off, it is going to make him a much better fighter then if he only has to dehydrate 13 pounds.

Pac would destroy Bradley at 140 aswell,it makes little difference

Exactly

[IronDanHamza]

I was waiting for you to say the only reason I'm defending Abregu had to do with Bradley..It really does not tho,I've been high on Abregu before he fought Bradley..I'll give it to you like this,I don't count none wins bro,sorry I just don't do it..if ya lost ya lost unless it was a true robbery(not like some claim are robbery's that were nothing more then a close fight)..I did not feel the Berto Collazo fight was a robbery,and judging the fact you have not called the fight a robbery I take it you don't either..So let's just deal with facts and who are these two fighters better victory's..

For Collazo his best win was Miguel Gonzalez..Who??

Abregu's best win was Richard Gutierrez..Who??

Exactly,like I said from the very start,neither has accomplish much of nothing...

I do consider Collazo-Berto a robbery. Collazo clearly won the fight from where I stand. If Berto wasn't the new up and coming guy for HBO he would have lost that fight and no one to this day would be complaining, IMO.

But either way, let's just leave it at being a close fight, could have gone either way. Let's put the Hatton fight in that in that basket aswell.

The fact that Collazo put a hell of a performance against a Top WW and a Top P4P ranked fighter, and arguably beat both them. Alone, is better than any win Collazo has.

Depsite the fact they aren't even wins. The fact he almost beat both of them. Show's he can compete at the top level, at the world class level.

Something Abregu has never done and most likely never will.

They're not the same.

[BoxingGenius27]

I understand where you are trying to go with that, but Abregu is a naturally bigger guy then most all of the people that Bradley had to fight at 140. It is the size of his opponent that made the difference in that fight.

I just don't get where you think that if Bradley has to dehydrate 20 pounds off, it is going to make him a much better fighter then if he only has to dehydrate 13 pounds.

1. Why did Bradley have 1 fight at 147, then go back down to 140? If he felt so comfortable there, why not stay there?

2. How can you advocate Hatton being a better fighter at 140 than he was at 147, but not Bradley? You can surely understand why a fighter's weight is dictated by his bone density/structure, not his walking around weight.

Do you see what I'm saying?

[Rome-By-Ko]

I do consider Collazo-Berto a robbery. Collazo clearly won the fight from where I stand. If Berto wasn't the new up and coming guy for HBO he would have lost that fight and no one to this day would be complaining, IMO.

But either way, let's just leave it at being a close fight, could have gone either way. Let's put the Hatton fight in that in that basket aswell.

The fact that Collazo put a hell of a performance against a Top WW and a Top P4P ranked fighter, and arguably beat both them. Alone, is better than any win Collazo has.

Depsite the fact they aren't even wins. The fact he almost beat both of them. Show's he can compete at the top level, at the world class level.

Something Abregu has never done and most likely never will.

They're not the same.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree here,you count none wins,I really can't..You can go back to umm to gain some knowledge,of the fighter and what he's capable of,but I'm not gonna count that to his legacy like an accomplishment..

Oh and stop it,Collazo Berto was not a robbery..It was a close fight,but let's not make it into something it was'int..

[IronDanHamza]

That's what I've been talking about from the very start,duh...You came in on some of my comments that I made about thinking Abregu would beat him...Then accomplishments came in so that most could try to prove Collazo would win based on that..

What??

This is your original post I replied to in this thread;

"Bradley dominated Abregu,a good undefeated fighter,which is more then Hatton can say when he got a shot at Mayweather..Bradley maybe did not KO his opponent but beat him and I don't even think Abregu won a rd..That's enough for me."

What does that have to do with a fight between Collazo and Abregu?

Your post doesn't even have the word "Collazo" in it .

So no, that's not what you have been talking about from the "very start".


You then said that you think Abregu would beat Collazo. To which I said I don't think so. He's a much better fighter.

To which you said in your next post; "He might be more skilled but Abregu is the better overall fighter"

Which then ultimately lead to comparing what they have done.

[IronDanHamza]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree here,you count none wins,I really can't..You can go back to umm to gain some knowledge,of the fighter and what he's capable of,but I'm not gonna count that to his legacy like an accomplishment..

Oh and stop it,Collazo Berto was not a robbery..It was a close fight,but let's not make it into something it was'int..

Even if you don't count them as wins.

He still proved that he can compete at a world class level on multiple occasions. Ranging from top fighters in his division to top fighters in the P4P List.

Something Abregu has never done.

That alone puts him ahead of Abregu.

[Yogi007]

1. Why did Bradley have 1 fight at 147, then go back down to 140? If he felt so comfortable there, why not stay there?

2. How can you advocate Hatton being a better fighter at 140 than he was at 147, but not Bradley? You can surely understand why a fighter's weight is dictated by his bone density/structure, not his walking around weight.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Because he is much better at beating up littler guys then he is at beating up bigger guys. The same for Hatton. The Bigger guys can take a punch much better then the little guys, so they are much harder to bully around.

Pac isn't going to be any bigger at 147 then he would be at 140.

[-Kev-]

Berto-Collazo was close. I saw the fight twice and scored it once for Collazo and once Berto. The first time I was in to the hype of the HBO commentators and all the fans who were screaming robbery. The second time I watched it alone, I had Berto winning. It was a very good fight. I wouldn't call it a robbery. People forget Berto came on strong in the championship rounds, and put the first half of the rounds in the bank. If I remember correctly I had both of them winning 7-5. It just depends how you scored it, who you go for, who wanted to see lose. For example, there's a lot of PR fans who had Salido-Lopez II a tie when the fight was stopped. Wishful thinking can cloud one's judgement of how a fight played out.