Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[GRUSTLER]

Grustler, I think you're confusing 2005/2006 with early 2008.

I already agreed that Mayweather tried to make the Cotto fight in 2006. It's in the ESPN article that I posted a few pages back. I know this.

Unfortunately, I'm not talking about 2006 right now; I'm talking about 2008, before Cotto fought Gomez and Margarito. Mayweather - Cotto fight was on the table. The public wanted it; everybody wanted it. All Mayweather had to say was the word. Instead, he chose to retire but still negotiate a 2nd fight with DLH. How can you be retired and still negotiating a fight? That tells me you still got the will to fight in you.

But since I've answered your question about 2006 and we're on 2006, answer this question for me:

1. Was Cotto's fan base bigger in 2006 or early 2008 after the Mosley fight; How can Mayweather agree to fight Cotto in 2006, but turn around and deny Cotto the fight after he's coming off the biggest win of his career by saying Cotto doesn't have "a fan base"?

Do you see what I'm saying? You don't even have to say Mayweather ducked Cotto; just admit that it's strange to accept a fight in 2006, but turn it down a year and a half later due to a guy's fan base; as if Cotto's fan base and resume were better in 2006 when you accepted the fight than early 2008.

Do you see?

Listen, all that sounds good but if Floyd was ready to fight Cotto when he was with Top Rank in 2006 but Arum didn't want the fight because Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd, then how does that translate to Floyd ducking Cotto in 2008? Arum/Cotto didn't want it when Floyd did. How does it mean that Floyd was ducking Cotto when he wanted to fight him 2 years prior? Doesn't make sense. How do you duck somebody that you were willing to fight but the guy wasn't ready for it? I admit that WE ALL wanted to see it back then but it didn't happen for whatever reason but to say Floyd duck Cotto is bias.

[BoxingGenius27]

Listen, all that sounds good but if Floyd was ready to fight Cotto when he was with Top Rank in 2006 but Arum didn't want the fight because Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd, then how does that translate to Floyd ducking Cotto in 2008? Arum/Cotto didn't want it when Floyd did. How does it mean that Floyd was ducking Cotto when he wanted to fight him 2 years prior? Doesn't make sense. How do you duck somebody that you were willing to fight but the guy wasn't ready for it? I admit that WE ALL wanted to see it back then but it didn't happen for whatever reason but to say Floyd duck Cotto is bias.

Here's my opinionated theory.

Is Broner ready to fight Mayweather right now? Will he possibly be ready in a few years?

Was Canelo ready to fight Martinez a few years ago? Will he possibly be ready in a few years?

I think Mayweather was willing to fight Cotto when Cotto was still in the early learning stages. We all knew that. The Cotto that beat Mosley in 2007 had officially arrived and was ready. This is when Mayweather said no mas.

That said, I still think Mayweather would've beat Cotto; but in my opinion, Cotto was at the top of his game early 2008, not 2006 when Mayweather wanted the fight.

That's how I see it.

[HandSpeed303]

If you are going to address me then get my name right. It's Grustler. Anyway,you guys are disregarding and over looking why the fight did not happen to try and throw salt on Floyd for not fighting Margarito. All of that came down to Arum not wanting to get Floyd the De La Hoya fight. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Once Floyd left Arum he got the Oscar De La Hoya fight. So if Arum would have guaranteed Floyd the 20MIL for Oscar and the guarantees on Hatton and Cotto then the fight would have happen. That's the real of it, not that he should or could have fought Margarito. Sure he could have but it wasn't in Arum's favor to get Floyd what he wanted in order to fight him so the fight didn't happen.

I don't see any merit in saying Floyd could have fought Margarito because he was considered the tougher opponent but how can we know that for sure if Judah never fought Margarito? Who knows if Margarito would have won or not? Also, Zab had the IBF title and his word from Floyd that he would fight him. Where I am from your word means everything. I can't understand how so many people give Margarito credit by saying Floyd ducked him? Dude was/is overrated and he could have been cheating. I refuse to give him that much respect. Especially since he got boxed around by Paul Williams. Realistically, Zab Judah was a better fight commercially and financially.

No need to read any of that...As I stated, I don't care. Never called Floyd a duck for Margo or Cotto...Never will.

Second, If I'm going to address you? Who the **** are you? I had a bit of respect for you, and have never had a problem with you. Clearly the internet is serious work for you. Sorry Grust, If I didn't provide you with the respect of your full name as I addressed you....

And your supposed to be a grown man...Get real.

Plus, I just used your name in passing, I wasn't really addressing you anyway, and wasn't expecting a reply.

[HandSpeed303]

If you are going to address me then get my name right. It's Grustler. Anyway,you guys are disregarding and over looking why the fight did not happen to try and throw salt on Floyd for not fighting Margarito. All of that came down to Arum not wanting to get Floyd the De La Hoya fight. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Once Floyd left Arum he got the Oscar De La Hoya fight. So if Arum would have guaranteed Floyd the 20MIL for Oscar and the guarantees on Hatton and Cotto then the fight would have happen. That's the real of it, not that he should or could have fought Margarito. Sure he could have but it wasn't in Arum's favor to get Floyd what he wanted in order to fight him so the fight didn't happen.

I don't see any merit in saying Floyd could have fought Margarito because he was considered the tougher opponent but how can we know that for sure if Judah never fought Margarito? Who knows if Margarito would have won or not? Also, Zab had the IBF title and his word from Floyd that he would fight him. Where I am from your word means everything. I can't understand how so many people give Margarito credit by saying Floyd ducked him? Dude was/is overrated and he could have been cheating. I refuse to give him that much respect. Especially since he got boxed around by Paul Williams. Realistically, Zab Judah was a better fight commercially and financially.

After trying to give a bit of respect, and read what you wrote...I just now have to words...***** PLEASE!

The bold is as far as I got...Salt on Floyd? Clearly you have me confused. Have a blessed day!

[GRUSTLER]

No need to read any of that...As I stated, I don't care. Never called Floyd a duck for Margo or Cotto...Never will.

Second, If I'm going to address you? Who the **** are you? I had a bit of respect for you, and have never had a problem with you. Clearly the internet is serious work for you. Sorry Grust, If I didn't provide you with the respect of your full name as I addressed you....

And your supposed to be a grown man...Get real.

Plus, I just used your name in passing, I wasn't really addressing you anyway, and wasn't expecting a reply.

First off you called me "Glust" you should go and read your post before you start talking reckless like I'm bugging. 2nd I can care less about whether you called him a duck or not. My whole thing is that dudes come on here and change things around to suit their opinions and try to make someone who is actually telling $H!t the way it happened like he is bugging. You're right, I am a grown man and that's why I don't act like a sucker and make things up.

[GRUSTLER]

Here's my opinionated theory.

Is Broner ready to fight Mayweather right now? Will he possibly be ready in a few years?

Was Canelo ready to fight Martinez a few years ago? Will he possibly be ready in a few years?

I think Mayweather was willing to fight Cotto when Cotto was still in the early learning stages. We all knew that. The Cotto that beat Mosley in 2007 had officially arrived and was ready. This is when Mayweather said no mas.

That said, I still think Mayweather would've beat Cotto; but in my opinion, Cotto was at the top of his game early 2008, not 2006 when Mayweather wanted the fight.

That's how I see it.

Do you agree that Cotto never pushed for the fight either around that time? I still find what you are saying illogical because Cotto was the WBO light WW champion when Floyd moved up from 135, so how was he in his learning stages? Cotto was a champion defending his title successfully. I hear you but in your opinion, you are saying that Mayweather had to wait for Cotto to get better in order for the fight to happen and since it didn't happen later, Mayweather is the one who said no mas? Cotto wasn't ready but Mayweather was the one ducking? Can't cosign that one.

[HandSpeed303]

First off you called me "Glust" you should go and read your post before you start talking reckless like I'm bugging. 2nd I can care less about whether you called him a duck or not. My whole thing is that dudes come on here and change things around to suit their opinions and try to make someone who is actually telling $H!t the way it happened like he is bugging. You're right, Iam a grown man and that's why I don't act like a sucker and make things up.

What was I making up? The fact that Floyd and Margo had spoke about fighting prior to the Gomez fight? Then Margo went on a very long lay off do to injuries (Then fought Clottey, and then Williams). That is all I stated.

I also stated that as a Margo fan, I wish Floyd picked Margo. After the Zab loss to Baldie, I figured that is what he should have done (and it mattered to ME then). He didn't, I had, and still have no problem with that.

Some Fans (not you) like to make it seem as if Margo was going to fight Paul, and if he won than that was that...The Floyd fight would be made. Margo and Floyd danced around a fight for awhile before Paul Willaims was my only point.

Wasn't calling you, or anyone in this topic wrong. I poked fun at Williams fans/Floyd fans cause for years they used the lost to Williams to justify Floyd not picking Margo. I just pointed out the talks were well before the Williams fight. That's it.

I will admit, I just woke up to this, and may have overreacted. That's not my style. So my bad Grustler, but I wasn't trying to prove anything, except the fact that the talks between Floyd and Margo started in 2006...Also pointed out that you had covered almost all of the situation. I also said I agreed with it.

Lastly, I also stated why do people even bring this stuff up anymore? Why does it matter? That's right, it doesn't.

[BoxingGenius27]

Do you agree that Cotto never pushed for the fight either around that time? I still find what you are saying illogical because Cotto was the WBO light WW champion when Floyd moved up from 135, so how was he in his learning stages? Cotto was a champion defending his title successfully. I hear you but in your opinion, you are saying that Mayweather had to wait for Cotto to get better in order for the fight to happen and since it didn't happen later, Mayweather is the one who said no mas? Cotto wasn't ready but Mayweather was the one ducking? Can't cosign that one.

I don't think Cotto pushed the fight like Hatton did, no. I don't think Hatton was as much of a threat like Cotto was either, "at the time". I think the Hatton fight was easier to make with less of a risk than Cotto, yes.

I can't speak on 2005/2006 because I already agreed with the fact that Mayweather tried to fight him then.

But as far as your question about should Mayweather have acceptingly waited for Cotto to get better, yes. I think that Mayweather should've let Cotto get better before he fought him; I mean let's face it. Today, Mayweather mentions in all his interviews that he wants to fight Cotto at 154 because he wants the best Cotto. Well if he wanted the best Cotto, early 2008 was the time to fight him.

That said, why would Mayweather mention Cotto's fan base in 2008 for a more experienced Cotto, but not 2006 for a less experienced Cotto?

[BoxingGenius27]

I still find what you are saying illogical because Cotto was the WBO light WW champion when Floyd moved up from 135, so how was he in his learning stages?

When I say Cotto was in the "learning stages", I'm referring to the fact that he's only been a pro for 5 years (max) at the time Mayweather called him out. Mayweather was at his 10th year.

So as far as "experience" and fighting quality fighters on Mayweather's level, yes Cotto was still green. This is why I say Cotto arrived after he fought Mosley.

Thank about it Grustler. How was Cotto suppose to jump from fighting Ricardo Torres in 2005 and Paulie M in 2006 to fighting Mayweather in 2006?

This is what I mean by Cotto was still in the learning stages.

[915angel]

@27 so if mayweather beats him ur gonna say cotto is a bust cause pacman/margarito bit why didnt he take the fight in his prime in 2006?