Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko: I'll Knock David Haye Out, It's Personal!

[JAB5239]

Lmao!! Steak is making minced meat out of nuthuggers. Classic!!

[Steak]

Yes it does.
Klit and Fury is a terrible comparison, they don't have a similar number of fights.

Sergio Martinez 52 fights, JCC Jr 44 fights. Jr is undefeated, Serg isnt. Guess Jr is better than Martinez.

OK, with this post you can go ahead and refer back to my post from a few comments back. It's still the same scenario. Nothing changed.
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If you have a problem with Vitali's accomplishments, that's understandable I suppose. But he was getting the best of an ATG, lost on cuts only, has a steller record with 11 title defenses, came back after 4 years retirement and still dominated, has the highest HW champ KO ratio of all time and hasn't lost a fight without controversy. I'd say that's worth an honorable mention.

Ending, It's obvious that you are naive and won't be convinced so you can just go your way and I'll go mine.

What you fail to realise over and over again is that Vitali DOES NOT fight the best available to him. There are multiple guys that have been in and out of the top ten of the division since his comeback, and hes only fought 4 since then. Wladimir has faced far better competition than Vitali during that time period that theyve been fighting in, HES the one thats beating the best competition available to him. Vitali's is respectable, and getting better, but to just say 'Oh, hed beat all those guys, so Ill give him credit for those make believe wins' is ridiculous.

Guys like Chagaev, Chambers and Haye were considered the best guys in the division behind the Klitschko brothers. Wladimir fought them, Vitali didnt.(as of yet).

[LoadedWraps]

Sergio Martinez 52 fights, JCC Jr 44 fights. Jr is undefeated, Serg isnt. Guess Jr is better than Martinez.

What you fail to realise over and over again is that Vitali DOES NOT fight the best available to him. There are multiple guys that have been in and out of the top ten of the division since his comeback, and hes only fought 4 since then. Wladimir has faced far better competition than Vitali during that time period that theyve been fighting in, HES the one thats beating the best competition available to him. Vitali's is respectable, and getting better, but to just say 'Oh, hed beat all those guys, so Ill give him credit for those make believe wins' is ridiculous.

Guys like Chagaev, Chambers and Haye were considered the best guys in the division behind the Klitschko brothers. Wladimir fought them, Vitali didnt.(as of yet).

They don't fight at the same weight, and they haven't fought the same level of competition, which I never said was not a factor, you just can't look past an undefeated record. Chavez Jr. also is said to have been cherrypicked for throughout most of his career, otherwise I would say yes. I think he is overrated for that reason alone, and it is difficult to gauge a fighter who is the offspring of a great fighter unbiased. There is so much more that goes into it, the style matchup, the conditioning, the weight, the time the fight takes place in their career/lives, to say undefeated is bar none the only factor would be foolish, and I never said it was, but to toss out "undefeated" because you may not think they beat anyone credible is laughable. If you have ever stepped inside a ring you would know a fight is a fight, and every undefeated fighter deserves respect for being undefeated.
That was my point.

[Steak]

They don't fight at the same weight, and they haven't fought the same level of competition, which I never said was not a factor, you just can't look past an undefeated record. Chavez Jr. also is said to have been cherrypicked for throughout most of his career, otherwise I would say yes. I think he is overrated for that reason alone, and it is difficult to gauge a fighter who is the offspring of a great fighter unbiased. There is so much more that goes into it, the style matchup, the conditioning, the weight, the time the fight takes place in their career/lives, to say undefeated is bar none the only factor would be foolish, and I never said it was, but to toss out "undefeated" because you may not think they beat anyone credible is laughable. If you have ever stepped inside a ring you would know a fight is a fight, and every undefeated fighter deserves respect for being undefeated.
That was my point.

Sergio Martinez and JCC Jr dont fight at the same weight?

and get out of here. there are bums that are still undefeated. look at George Foreman's son, hes 14-0 but has beaten nobodies, and isnt even in the top 200 at heavyweight. good for him, hes undefeated, but hes still worse than someone like Maurice Harris who has 15 losses.

but thank you for reiterating my point. being undefeated means nothing unless youve beaten good opponents. and the guys that Kevin Johnson for example beat were nowhere near top quality. Therefor he was not a good opponent, and his undefeated record doesnt make him any better of a fighter.

[MASTERFUL]

FACTS about Vitali Klitschko

- WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer

- Has never truly lost

- There is no blueprint to beat him

- He is unbeatable

- He is the most dominant fighter of all time

- He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced

- 45 have tried and 45 have been dominated

- Has never been behind on the scorecards at the end of a fight

- Has never been knocked down

- He is the most intimidating HW of all time

- Greatest Heavyweight Champ KO% of all time

- Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing

- Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback.

- Vitali beats any HW from any era.

[MASTERFUL]

Vitali Klitschko's Last Victim

- TKO 10 Tomasz Adamek (Top 10 P4P Fighter) in Poland

- 40 years old, 40th knockout

- 40 KOs in 43 wins, greatest heavyweight champ KO% of all time

Vitali dominated every round and became the first man to stop the iron chinned warrior Adamek. It was a brutal beatdown, there were several 10-8 rounds. Adamek was knocked down twice, brutalized and destroyed by Vitali.

Next Victim: David Haye

[MASTERFUL]

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

FACTS about Vitali Klitschko

- WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer

- Has never truly lost

- There is no blueprint to beat him

- He is unbeatable

- He is the most dominant fighter of all time

- He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced

- 45 have tried and 45 have been dominated

- Has never been behind on the scorecards at the end of a fight

- Has never been knocked down

- He is the most intimidating HW of all time

- Greatest Heavyweight Champ KO% of all time

- Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing

- Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback.

- Vitali beats any HW from any era.

He's a good fighter. I like him a lot, but guys like you make me and so many others want to hate on him.

[LoadedWraps]

Sergio Martinez and JCC Jr dont fight at the same weight?

and get out of here. there are bums that are still undefeated. look at George Foreman's son, hes 14-0 but has beaten nobodies, and isnt even in the top 200 at heavyweight. good for him, hes undefeated, but hes still worse than someone like Maurice Harris who has 15 losses.

but thank you for reiterating my point. being undefeated means nothing unless youve beaten good opponents. and the guys that Kevin Johnson for example beat were nowhere near top quality. Therefor he was not a good opponent, and his undefeated record doesnt make him any better of a fighter.

You are right they are about the same weight class, my mistake on that, I really don't pay any attention to JCC Jr., I have only seen like one of his fights, something tells me I haven't missed much.
However...
How is a bum undefeated? He many not be a highly ranked fighter or considered a really good fighter obviously until he beats "quality opponents", but a bum? Please. What on earth is your skewed definition of a bum?

[Mr. Invincible]

You are right they are about the same weight class, my mistake on that, I really don't pay any attention to JCC Jr., I have only seen like one of his fights, something tells me I haven't missed much.
However...
How is a bum undefeated? He many not be a highly ranked fighter or considered a really good fighter obviously until he beats "quality opponents", but a bum? Please. What on earth is your skewed definition of a bum?

He's not a bum at all. This guy just wants to argue. He completely ignores any point you try to make like he's in some kind of debate class. Chavez, for all his faults is undefeated, is a world champ and had mounted a couple of solid wins in a row. Not to mention he actually tko'd Manfredo instead of forcing a stoppage hitting air like Calzaghe.