Comments Thread For: Roach: Marquez Had The Win, Let Final Rounds Slip Away

[Spoon23]

You musta missed Pac's ESPN interview after the fight when he went with the ole ask my promotor line. And when asked directly about Mayweather at the postfight presser, Arum said "Floyd was gonna have to wait, they want a 4th fight with JMM." Let the Mayweather's scared of Pac go bruh. It sounded dumb before. But now its just plain ignorant.

Geez.. I just said pac looked vulnerable. If I was mayweather he should come out and fight him for an easy pac check. Get it? no ducking now.. No reason to duck really.

If floyd still won't fight, it's floyd's who should be in question.

[wizard king]

Im not graduate of BS BOXING like you, sorry. Im just a boxing fan and stating my opinion. Why you butthurt? Compubox? again look at my first opinion.

yeah keep whining, baby!

wow you are a clown please go watch wwe boxing is to advance for you

[LeadUppercut]

Im not graduate of BS BOXING like you, sorry. Im just a boxing fan and stating my opinion. Why you butthurt? Compubox? again look at my first opinion.

yeah keep whining, baby!

Come on man, compubox, Lederman ?

You would have to be blind to credit Pac with that win.

What about professional fighters who have a feel for the game ?

Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"

Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!"

OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."

Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"

ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!"

Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"

Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"

Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"

Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!"

Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."

Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"

Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"

Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."

Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."

Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez"

Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges."

Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds."

Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."

Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the **** out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"

Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!"

Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."

Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"

In the pantheon of disgraceful decisions in the history of boxing this one will
go down as one of the most notorious. Juan Manuel Marquez, at the age of
38, has just seen his best performance in the ring to comprehensively out
box, out think, out work, and out hustle Manny Pacquiao over 12 rounds stolen from him by three judges who have brought shame to the sport. It was an historic performance. It should have resulted in a unanimous decision in favour of Juan Manuel Marquez. Instead he lost and so did the sport of boxing.....


After 12 rounds of what appeared to many at ringside and nearly all of the crowd of 16,368 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena to be a solid win for Marquez, two ringside judges saw a fight only a businessman or a blind man could have seen. Somehow Judge Glenn Trowbridge scored the bout 116-112 for Pacquiao and Dave Moretti had it 115-113 for the WBO welterweight titleholder. The third, Robert Hoyle, had it a draw 114-114. Meanwhile, a number of ringside observers saw Marquez winning 116-112 and as much as 117-112. When Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, was asked in the ring if he agreed his fighter had beaten Marquez again he waited for a moment before answering. “The fight was close,’’ Roach said. “It was very close.’’
Not really. Not unless you brought a pencil to ringside with you.
Later he would say he felt his man pulled it out in the last two rounds while also conceding “it could have gone either way.’’ As endorsements go, it wasn’t exactly a ringing one. What was more telling was an hour later when he said, “It’s the kind of fight I don’t want to do again but we have to. S__t. He’s given us problems three times.....


Pacquaio “Wins,” Marquez is “robbed” and boxing “loses”.....


The opinions of many within the ringside media and those at the post-fight
press conference were somewhat mixed, but the overwhelming majority felt that
the legend from Mexico City had been robbed. The general consensus is that
Marquez’ counter punching controlled the pace of the contest and that he
landed the harder shots. By: Mike Sloan, ringside in Las Vegas.

By Round 9, the unfathomable seemed more than possible, and people began to
say it out loud: Pacquiao might lose. Pacquiao is losing ~ NYtimes.com

Fighthype - Marquez 115 Pacquiao 113

SecondsOut.com - Marquez 116 Pacquiao 113

Amir Khan / Julio Cesar Chavez - Marquez won !!

Oscar De La Hoya - Marquez won !!

[Vino Rotcha]

wow you are a clown please go watch wwe boxing is to advance for you

and you are a clown's clown

[LeadUppercut]

Geez.. I just said pac looked vulnerable. If I was mayweather he should come out and fight him for an easy pac check. Get it? no ducking now.. No reason to duck really.

If floyd still won't fight, it's floyd's who should be in question.

What a fkn moron

Manny refusing random blood tests, means that Mayweather is "scared" like some schoolkid, like you would be

Fkn idiot.

BTW, your god just got schooled in the finer arts..... AGAIN !!

I am no longer even interested in a Mayweather fight, *** paying to watch a mismatch. Pac should fight Ortiz, see if he can actually beat a young prime stud.

[Vino Rotcha]

Come on man, compubox, Lederman ?

You would have to be blind to credit Pac with that win.

What about professional fighters who have a feel for the game ?

Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"

Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!"

OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."

Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"

ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!"

Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"

Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"

Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"

Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!"

Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."

Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"

Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"

Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."

Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."

Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez"

Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges."

Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds."

Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."

Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the **** out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"

Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!"

Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."

Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"

In the pantheon of disgraceful decisions in the history of boxing this one will
go down as one of the most notorious. Juan Manuel Marquez, at the age of
38, has just seen his best performance in the ring to comprehensively out
box, out think, out work, and out hustle Manny Pacquiao over 12 rounds stolen from him by three judges who have brought shame to the sport. It was an historic performance. It should have resulted in a unanimous decision in favour of Juan Manuel Marquez. Instead he lost and so did the sport of boxing.....


After 12 rounds of what appeared to many at ringside and nearly all of the crowd of 16,368 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena to be a solid win for Marquez, two ringside judges saw a fight only a businessman or a blind man could have seen. Somehow Judge Glenn Trowbridge scored the bout 116-112 for Pacquiao and Dave Moretti had it 115-113 for the WBO welterweight titleholder. The third, Robert Hoyle, had it a draw 114-114. Meanwhile, a number of ringside observers saw Marquez winning 116-112 and as much as 117-112. When Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, was asked in the ring if he agreed his fighter had beaten Marquez again he waited for a moment before answering. “The fight was close,’’ Roach said. “It was very close.’’
Not really. Not unless you brought a pencil to ringside with you.
Later he would say he felt his man pulled it out in the last two rounds while also conceding “it could have gone either way.’’ As endorsements go, it wasn’t exactly a ringing one. What was more telling was an hour later when he said, “It’s the kind of fight I don’t want to do again but we have to. S__t. He’s given us problems three times.....


Pacquaio “Wins,” Marquez is “robbed” and boxing “loses”.....


The opinions of many within the ringside media and those at the post-fight
press conference were somewhat mixed, but the overwhelming majority felt that
the legend from Mexico City had been robbed. The general consensus is that
Marquez’ counter punching controlled the pace of the contest and that he
landed the harder shots. By: Mike Sloan, ringside in Las Vegas.

By Round 9, the unfathomable seemed more than possible, and people began to
say it out loud: Pacquiao might lose. Pacquiao is losing ~ NYtimes.com

Fighthype - Marquez 115 Pacquiao 113

SecondsOut.com - Marquez 116 Pacquiao 113

Amir Khan / Julio Cesar Chavez - Marquez won !!

Oscar De La Hoya - Marquez won !!

Is it really hard for *****S to understand? What I've mentioned earlier are FACTORS of being a winner. Pacquiao is the aggressor that night, he is dictating the pace. Imagine what will happen if Pac will just wait for Marquez? If you really think Marquez won, why not help him make a protest?

simple as that...

you always think that you are the better man here. you are nothing but a hatter.

I just stated my opinion, and if you dont like, there is nothing you can do to change my mind. you can cry me river.

[GRUSTLER]

Come on Pac guys. Khan (Pac's buddy) said Marquez won and a bunch of other boxers/fighters and athletes. Hell, the place got rowdy and was throwing bottles. ESPN and so forth are already saying that Pac don't stand a chance against Mayweather because how he looked in the Marquez fight. Pac can't handle Marquez because he hasn't been fighting anyone to level him up. It's clear Marquez did his homework and didn't give Manny any opportunities like the first two fights and beat him more convincingly then ever. I'm not buying the leg cramp thing and Pac lost the fire because when they were training Roach and Ariza was saying how great Pac looked and how he was punishing sparring partners so they can go ahead with the lies and excuses. What has Roach been doing with Pac all of these years that he can't handle Marquez? Pac was supposed to be so improved but he looked worse atleast in the last two fights he scored 4 kd's total. Sorry Pac fans but no one is going to believe Floyd is ducking Pac considering Bob Arum don't even want to make the fight but rather a 4th JMM fight? The serade is up. Pac needs to reavaluate and make some hardcore decisions because he is falling off.

[Spoon23]

What a fkn moron

Manny refusing random blood tests, means that Mayweather is "scared" like some schoolkid, like you would be

Fkn idiot.

BTW, your god just got schooled in the finer arts..... AGAIN !!

I am no longer even interested in a Mayweather fight, *** paying to watch a mismatch. Pac should fight Ortiz, see if he can actually beat a young prime stud.

check where you left your brain.. You *****s are ******s lol.. Oh yeah pac is taking ped's that's why marquez gave him fits lol

[denix]

Pacman outlanded Dinamita so what is the deal? Clean and crisp combinations by Dinamita were good for cameras and public to see, however, the number of punches landed is better for Pacman. It is a fair decision and salute to the judges. HBO confirmed 116-112 for Pacman.

A fourth fight is a must, though, and it would promise these two excellent fighters (FIGHTERS) more millions.

[MaZ X]

If you change you score after watching it a second time, you don't have any business scoring the fight in the first place. What did see in the second viewing that you missed in the first?

First, your preposition makes no sense. I can watch a fight as many times as I want and change my mind if need be. In my second viewing, with the benefit of rewind on my PC, and without the biased HBO commentary jumping for joy when Pacquiao hit air, and quiet when Marquez hitting Pacquiao's face, I saw a lot less from Pacquiao. What I missed the first time was Pacquiao getting credit for punches that didn't land, and some of those were crucial because without them I could not give Pacquiao credit for his aggression and ended up giving more rounds for Marquez. In the Primetime version, there is no subplot of Marquez taking the 11th and 12th easy. That was something drummed up by HBO and it skewed my perception of the action. I can actually make a case that JMM won the 12th, which I thought was clearly won by Pacquiao with HBO on his side. I still gave it to Pacquiao out of fairness because he wasn't going to win the way I scored it the second time. Worst case scenario 115 113 Marquez. Seriously though, the compubox stats were messed up, Marquez clearly outworked Pacquiao in the 5th and 7th and they had Pacquiao outlanding him in both. 13-12 in the 5th and 21 12 in the 7th.