If Floyd fights Martinez, how can any "boxing fan" hate on that fight?

[Carpe Diem]

This is a presumption on your part, that Martinez could make 154 comfortably, and based on wrong criteria.

He is 36 years old. Historically, older mid-30's guys have more trouble with cutting weight, and as a result have more side-effect then if a guy in his 20's did it.

Why does it matter how long he has been fighting at 160? Point is, he has been fighting at 154 for a long time and maybe it was just the right time to move up, because it wasn't as easy or comfortable to make that weight anymore, even though he still could.

Floyd fighting Sergio at 160lb would be ludicrous. Sergio can still make 154lb comfortably and would still be able to add five pounds of non-water weight on fight night. Floyd is now a full-fledged WW compared to when he first fought at the weight, but he's still an average size WW, not as big of a welterweight to move up to Middleweight.

Skills do pay the bills, but in this case, Floyd's lack of size would play a major factor of the outcome of the fight if it were to take place at Middleweight.

[lefthook2daliva]

Way to exaggerate. Moving up to Heavyweight isn't quite the same as moving up 8 pounds (147 to 155 is all that's required). He isn't going to KO or out-muscle Sergio anyway, so it's all about whether he can Outbox the Boxer, use his defense and block the punches that P.Williams couldn't.

If he can't, he losses. If he can, more power to him. There is no question that Sergio is the bigger guy in height and body mass. Hell, that's why he is the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP.

If you want credit, you beat the Middleweight Champ the way he is, not the Jr.Middleweight or Welterweight.

Well said. Same applies to Martinez. He's the middleweight champ and a dominant one so far. After he fights Floyd he oughta' put on 8lbs and fight some guys his own size. It'd be great to see Martinez matched up against the super 6 guys or Bute. There's any number of ways for Sergio to enhance his star power @ SMW.

If Floyd wins this (especially with no catchweight) I totally won't care about whether he fights Pac or not. In my opinion a PBF win over Martinez puts the ball squarely in Pacquiao's court in terms of one-upmanship and makes Pac need Floyd more than Floyd needs Pac (which is the reverse of the situation that currently exists, imo).

[cupocity303]

Floyd fighting Sergio at 160lb would be ludicrous. Sergio can still make 154lb comfortably and would still be able to add five pounds of non-water weight on fight night. Floyd is now a full-fledged WW compared to when he first fought at the weight, but he's still an average size WW, not as big of a welterweight to move up to Middleweight.

Skills do pay the bills, but in this case, Floyd's lack of size would play a major factor of the outcome of the fight if it were to take place at Middleweight.

How do you know that Sergio can make 154 comfortably? If he hasn't had to make 154 since 2009, and if he 2 years older, how can you say that he can still make it comfortably, and that it won't effect his performance?

Secondly, how does Floyd's lack of size play a factor if it were at 160. All it means is that Martinez can be anything from 155-160. Is Martinez a strong, powerful Middleweight like an Arthur Abrhama or Edison Miranda was? No, he relies on movement and angles just like Floyd.

Shouldn't it be about both fighters coming in comfortably, so they can box healthy. Floyd doesn't have to weigh-in at 160. All he has to do is be at 155. Just don't restrict Sergio from weighing in, what he has been weighing in his last 3 fights against Williams, Dzindurak and Barker. Otherwise you might not be fighting the best Sergio possible.

[MARKBNLV]

Martinez will get beat badly,make the Pac fight or dont waste our time

[Phil Ivey]

So what?

If sergio beats Floyd, I'm not giving him credit either way. He gets more credit for the Williams & Pavlik wins.

If Floyd wins, I'm not giving him credit unless it's at 160. The same standard that I apply to Delahoya vs Pacquiao. You may be beating a name, but you're not beating him at his proper weight. And usually, the bigger guy doesn't shrink down to fighter smaller fighters, it's the other way around.

The bigger fighter's abilities are far more hindered if he shrunk down a weight class, then the abilities of the smaller fighter, who is moving up. Moving up only means, less dieting during the training camp.

Dumb dumb..... 154 isn't Mayweather's proper weight either. And LOL @ saying moving up only means less dieting during training camp what an idiot. If that were even VAGUELY true we would have a lot of Pacquiao's today. Sergio's not even a big middleweight so 154 is fine, likewise with Mayweather whose not a big WW so moving up to 154 is a compromise. I'm baffled by your ignorance.

[BoZz]

real boxing fans won't hate on that pac fans will because they know that their hero is cherry picking top rank bums at catch weight.

[cupocity303]

Dumb dumb..... 154 isn't Mayweather's proper weight either. And LOL @ saying moving up only means less dieting during training camp what an idiot. If that were even VAGUELY true we would have a lot of Pacquiao's today. Sergio's not even a big middleweight so 154 is fine, likewise with Mayweather whose not a big WW so moving up to 154 is a compromise. I'm baffled by your ignorance.

If you concede to the fact that Mayweather weight around 158-160-ish, when not preparing for a fight, you would understand the concept.

Therefore instead of cutting down to 147, all he has to do is get down to 155. That means, more eating and less dieting to make the Welterweight limit. You train hard, and consume more food for recovery, instead of holding back to make weight.

Pacquiao eats now more then he ever did before coming to Welterweight. He is not even worried about making weight. Thus a healthy fighter. MOST CANNOT DO IT, because they don't have the ability of a Pacquiao, and therefore want to stay down at a certain weight and fight guys that they are stronger then. PERFECT EXAMPLE: Ricky Hatton. Walks around at 170, cuts down 30 pounds to fight Jr.Welters. If he had the confidence and skills, he could cut less and only get down to 147, and be much healthier for it. But he didn't do that for most of his career, because he is a one-dimensional fighter and can't handle slightly bigger fighters, like Pac and Floyd and some other can.

Sergio may have been able to stay at 154 for the rest of his career, but liberated himself from strict Dieting, by moving up to a weight class, where he has 5 more pounds to play with (155-160), thus a healthier 37 year old.

It has been fun educating you, despite the Knee-jerk insults.

[Brother Jay]

The problem here is that no matter the outcome, there will be excuses due to the weight disparity. If the fight takes place at 154 and Martinez comes into the ring around 170 and happens to KO or beat Floyd, it will be blamed on the weight advantage Martinez had. If its fought at a catchweight and Martinez were to come down to (let lets say 150), a Martinez loss would be blamed on him being drained for the weigh-in.

For a Floyd Pacquiao showdown, there will be no issues like this. Both are true WW's and will have no problem as far as making weight. This is a fight where the best fighter that night will win with neither fighter having some sort of advantage on the other as far as weight is concerned.

At the end of the day, both fighters will continue to get criticized for thier comp until they face eachother!

That's a complete lie.

*******s to this day say that Marquez was too small for Floyd. Pacquiao is the same exact size.

Floyd himself said it. He's always in a lose/lose situation. Marquez wanted to face Mayweather because Pacquiao ducked him for years. Floyd outboxed him. Critics said Marquez was way too small.

How is Pacquiao any different? And if there is no difference between Mayweather and Pacquiao, then why has Pacquiao used catchweights at welterweight???

If there is no difference, then why has Pacquiao NOT allowed his opponents to come in on fight night at a weight that THEY felt comfortable at like Floyd does?

There will always be excuses from Team Pacquiao and their fans.

The fact that Mayweather is looking to face a man that *******s THEMSELVES have rated above everyone Pacquiao has faced in the last 3 years SCARES THE HELL OUT OF THEM. According to them, Martinez is P4P#2 ... according to them.

Now that Floyd & Sergio are in serious talks, watch for Sergio's stock to take a serious plunge among the peasants. Soon, he will be overrated, a senior citizen, and possibly even called all hype.

Why would they turn on a man that they have hailed as great? Simple ... its because they know that Pacquiao will never face Sergio even if Floyd were to knock him down twice in every round. Sergio is too good, too big, and too unlikely to dehydrate down to Pacquiao's advantage zone.

I myself have consistently stated that Martinez is overrated after only having 2 notable wins over recognizable fighters. The pundits and the casual fans disagreed. Now, if Floyd does fight him, all I ask is for you to stick to your guns.

You had Sergio as P4P#2 and some boxing gladiator. Let's see how much **** oozes out the side of your heads now that you realize that the man you hate is positioning himself to conquer yet another top fighter who STILL ON TOP while he is inking the deal.

Peasants .. you have to love 'em ... and laugh at them too.

[IMDAZED]

Put the fight at 154 and I'm all for it. Would be a huge, huge bout for both guys. For Martinez, it would solidify his legacy (yes, it would) and ensure him a spot in the HOF, most likely. For Mayweather, a win makes him the greatest fighter of this generation. One of them loses but the fans sure don't. All speculation for now.

[NEETzsche]

big if.

i won't hate on the fight unless: (a) it's below 154 lbs, or (b) they negotiate the middleweight belt into the equation at any weight below 160 lbs. even in the event of the latter, i wouldn't discredit the win, i'd just lament the cheap way the belt was won.