Comments Thread For: Nacho: Marquez Has To Survive Early Pacquiao Rounds

[kfcfloydiots]

like everyone says: once they taste pac's power and speed, they tend to go in survival mode. When Floyd gets a taste also, he's gonna be dancing with the stars while staring up into the ring lights above.

[Rolaz]

If Marquez gets shot in the first four rounds, then, he won't be the same again,
in the latter rounds, just as what happened to Mosley.

Marquez is only fighting for the 2nd time in the welterweight Division while Pacman, has fought from Jr Welterweight and welterweight division, beating all his opponents in those divisions.

[GRUSTLER]

Nacho got it right. That's the key to beat Manny. Be patient and box because as soon as you try to go in chest out then he is going to catch you because of his speed.

[GRUSTLER]

first 4 rounds?



someone tell Nacho that JMM is fighting PAC, not Zab Judah

I think he said this because JMM always got caught flush and knocked down in the early rds of their first 2 fights then got better as the fight went on. If Marquez can avoid that happening again and maintain a steady pace of just boxing and not rushing in then he has a good chance. That is all Nacho is saying.

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Pac should be able to KO the LW very early. If he doesn't and gets tagged, he's either getting old, still cant handle a defensive counter puncher, or all the above.

JMM needs to withstand the early rounds and just survive. He's destine to lose in this division. This fight is more about how will Pac look vs a style that is known to give him problems.

I think eventhough Pac may be stronger or a lil better since they met 3 years ago, styles still make fights and since JMM. Pac hasn't fought anyone with JMM skill set since they last fought. All of Pac's fights were against guys who couldn't even use their advantages properly over Pac because they thought that being bigger, stronger and applying pressure would do the job because Pac was/is smaller than them. Pac's strengths come from fighters who come forward and try to bully him. He's too fast for that. Marquez has to box and take advantage of all the openings Pac reveals. Not saying that JMM wins because I don't know how well he can handle the catchweight because the Floyd fight didn't help but in the same breath. Pac ain't Floyd. Will just have to see when the fight happens but I have a feeling that this fight will be more competitive than what people expect.

[GRUSTLER]

People say that Pacquaio has improved so vastly since the Marquez fight in 2008, right?

They say the Oscar fight, which was also in 2008, was his drastic improvment, yes? Does anyone think he has improved all that much since the Oscar fight? I dont.

But for arguments sake let's say he improved even more with the Hatton and Cotto fights. Because I don't think anyone is going to argue he has improved as a fighter since Cotto. So that's what? A year and a half. Right?

So here's what I don't get;

Freddie Roach has been training Manny Pacquiao since the early 00's. 02 was it? I think it was 02.

My question is. If Pacquaio wasn't that good against Marquez in 08 and had such a drastic improvment in a matter of months. Take it further it Cotto which is a mere year and half.

Then what in God's name was Freddie Roach doing for the first 6 years he was training him???????

Making them think too much. I always hear Pac has improved but when he fought Marquez in 2004 he got a draw on a close fight, that the judge said it should have went to Pac. 4 YEARS later, he fights Marquez again and this time the fight could have went to Marquez. Roach had 4 YEARS to get Pac on a higher level than Marquez but Pac couldn't best him and Marquez was still older than him. I guess the reason why everyone thinks that Pac is going to blast Marquez out of there is because he beat up on walking punching bags and sides of beef's from the Rocky movies. JMM style will always give Pac problems because Pac's style can be neutralized with patience and counter punching. JMM is a very good technical fighter for a Mexican in the sport of boxing and if he doesn't allow himself to get caught up in Pac's strengths then I think he has a chance to win atleast on points. If JMM gets sloppy again then it's a wrap for him.

[elgranluchadore]

nacho is very smart he probably knows what his fighter can or cant do and what he must and must not do
i hope is marquez is not able to follow the plan and he realizes there is no chance he stopts it, marquez will never give up is up to nacho to pull the trigger i dont want marquez to end up like hatton or de la ******

[IronDanHamza]

Maybe Pac likes it at WW, where the day of the weigh-in,
he can ENJOY, 4 LOBSTERS, 3 Pounds of KOBY BEEF, for
BREAKFAST....While Many Cat's are in the Steam Room....

Nothing STRANGE about it DIMWIT, and Roach like most great
Teachers, is a work in PROGRESS, only Cat's like U fail to GROW!!!

For some reason I just don't think his change in diet has improved him as a fighter.

You don't find it strange that in 6 years Roachs work with Pacquaio was 'so little' but in just a matter of months-1 year and half there is such a drastic aparrent improvment?

Ok, fair enough.

The fact is that Pacquaio is a gifted fighter, a special fighter.

He has been as good as he is now for a long time, you can't rack up the wins that Pacqiauo has whilst being 'not that good' or a 'one handed fighter' especially the way he has done some of those.

Pac hasn't really improved since 2008. The fact is he was always that good..

[WESS]

I think eventhough Pac may be stronger or a lil better since they met 3 years ago, styles still make fights and since JMM. Pac hasn't fought anyone with JMM skill set since they last fought. All of Pac's fights were against guys who couldn't even use their advantages properly over Pac because they thought that being bigger, stronger and applying pressure would do the job because Pac was/is smaller than them. Pac's strengths come from fighters who come forward and try to bully him. He's too fast for that. Marquez has to box and take advantage of all the openings Pac reveals. Not saying that JMM wins because I don't know how well he can handle the catchweight because the Floyd fight didn't help but in the same breath. Pac ain't Floyd. Will just have to see when the fight happens but I have a feeling that this fight will be more competitive than what people expect.

I agree on everything you said. You basically covered my points a little more in depth. This fight should display technical wise, how much Pac has improved. If he has any trouble at all, a lot will be explained... As again defensive counter punchers still give him problems even after all these years. That would pretty much validate the skills of Pac's previous in-house recycled losing opposition....

I hope Pac walks through JMM because anything less and Bob wont allow another defensive counter puncher to fight Pac... Thank god Floyd Mayweather isn't a defensive counter puncher.

[letsgobrady]

and run the other 8 rounds ala Sugerfree Mosley?
Pac aint no ****n 4 round slugger :aha:

well maybe pacquiao should learn how to cut off the ring ionstead of making excuses for his bad performances.Pacquiao punching powere doesn't seem the same in round 8 that it does in round 3 so i believe what nacho is saying because i have thought the same thing,if pacquiao is as great as most make him out to be you would think he would be able to land some good shots on his opponents even if they are running the fact is that he does but his punching power at that time just doesn't seem the same as it is early in the fight