If Guerrero gets past Maidana, the Khan should fight The Ghost. Guerrero is a boss!!
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Everyone knows Floyd is getting locked up. He did this on purpose to avoid fighting Pacquiao. If he wanted Pac he would've fought him this Sept instead of Ortiz.
The fight vs Ortiz will be his last fight inside the boxing ring.Comment
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thats all thats left. Neither one will fight martinez and all the rest are a far second . Although there are still decent names that will draw big crowds like a khan, bradley, ortiz, martinez, alvarez the only fight that makes sense is pac vs floydOriginally posted by komandante View Postfight freaks only wants pacquiao v mayweather no less no more.
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It's funny, when Floyd does something, EVERYONE diminishes what he did. People say "Floyd never beat anyone who was dangerous or any good". I am just going to list all the names of people both fights have beat that are all-time pretty good, good or great, and which were widely considered in their prime or latter prime. I will also list losses, as its only fair when you examin both careers of Pacquiao and Mayweather.
Manny Pacquiao: He lost to Torrecampo by KO in the 3rd in 96'. He lost to Singsurat by KO in the 3rd in 99'. He beat a latter-prime Ledwaba by TKO 6 in 01'. He beat a latter-prime Marco Antonio Barrera in 03' by TKO 11, which is his best win ever in my book. It was the best fight and most impressive on Pacquiao's resume. He fought a draw with a latter-prime Juan Manuel Marquez in 04', which was highly controversial. He declined to give both Barrera and Marquez rematches, until 4 years later for both fighters. He lost to a latter-prime Erik Morales in 05' by UD, which was probably the last time we saw a prime Morales. He beat a past prime-still great Morales by TKO 10 (you can argue he was prime, but Morales wanted to retire in 2006 because he said he didn't have it anymore. You can't say Morales was most definitely the same fighter after he got schooled by a nobody in Raheem before fighting Pacquiao again. Therefore, I can't say he was in his latter prime anymore, I am sorry). Morales was also coming off getting beat by Raheem, a nobody. He beat a latter-prime Oscar Larios in 06' by UD, who was also coming off getting knocked out by Vazquez. He then beat past prime-still good Morales in 06' again by KO 3. He then beat a prime Jorge Solis in 07' by KO 8. Then after 4 years, he finally gives Barrera a rematch, and beats a past prime Barrera by UD in 07'. He then decided to finally give Marquez a rematch in 08' and beat a past prime-still great Marquez by SD, which was very controversial yet again. He then declined to give Marquez a rematch again. Then he beat a past prime-still good David Diaz in 08' by TKO 9. Then he beat a past prime De La Hoya in 08' by TKO 8. De La Hoya fought at a weight that he hadn't been at in over 8 years, and had already been beaten by Mayweather a year and a half earlier. Oscar was past his prime against Mayweather, but there's not doubt he was better and had more left when Floyd fought him at 154. He then beat a past prime-still good Ricky Hatton in 09' by KO 2. Hatton was not the same fighter after being knocked out by Floyd 2 years earlier, thats clear. He had struggled against Lazcano and almost let a crappy Malignaggi go the distance with him. He then beat a past prime-still great Miguel Cotto in 09' by TKO 12. This was a very impressive win, even though Cotto was not the same after he lost to Margarito. True, Cotto was coming off getting knocked out by Margarito, a win over nobody Jennings, and struggling to a SD over Clottey, but Cotto was still a great fighter. He then beat a past prime-still good Clottey in 10' by UD.Clottey was never a fighter who should be mentioned with Mayweather or Pacquiao, but he's still an all-time pretty good fighter.He then beat a past prime Margarito in 10' by UD. Margarito was also never the same after the hand wrap thing and knock out loss to Mosley over a year earlier. Margarito was way past it, that showed, and he wasn't coming off good performances. Then Pacquiao beat a past prime Mosley, coming off getting dominated by Mayweather and a draw with Mora. Then Pacquiao has finally decided to give a past prime Marquez a rematch, 3 years later.
That's how I examin Pacquiao's career. A lot of pretty good, good, and great fighters. Also, plenty of fighters who were past prime or past prime but still good. In my opinion, Pacquiao hasn't fought a guy who was in his prime or latter-prime in his last 10 fights, if you can't his 3rd fight with Marquez. Pacquiao is an all-time great, just not as great as his followers and the media make him out to be.Comment
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im addicted to boxing, i need it bad like a junkie needs dope in his veins, and waching mayweather or pacquiao means absolutely nothing to me at all. theyll probably both be retired by this time next year anyway.Comment
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Floyd Mayweather Jr:He beat a past prime-still good Genaro Hernandez in 98' by TKO 8. Hernandez had never been beaten at 130. He then beat a prime Angel Manfredy by TKO 2 in 98'. He then beat a prime unbeaten Diego Corrales in 01' by TKO 10, which is one of Floyd's most impressive wins ever. He then beat a latter-prime Carlos Hernandez in 01' by UD. Then he beat a latter-prime Jesus Chavez in 01' by TKO 9. He then beat a latter-prime Jose Luis Castillo by UD in 02', which was very controversial. Mayweather agreed to give him an immediate rematch, and won again in 02' by UD, this time with no controversy. He then beat a prime Phillip N'dou in 03' by TKO 7. N'dou hadn't lost in over 5 years. Mayweather then beat a past prime Arturo Gatti in 05' by TKO 6. Gatti was past his prime, but at least he hadn't lost in 3 years and was coming off 5 straight wins. He then beat a latter-prime Zab Judah in 06' by UD, but Judah was coming off an upset loss to Baldomir. Mayweather then beat a past prime Baldomir in 06' by UD. But, Baldomir was coming off a win over Judah and hadn't lost in 8 years. Mayweather then beat a past prime De La Hoya by SD, but went up to 154 to do so. Mayweather should have won the UD, just go look at how bad Oscar was out punched all night. Mayweather then beat a latter-prime and unbeaten Ricky Hatton in 07' by TKO 10. Hatton went up to 147, but he had been there before. A fighter doesn't go down in weight to fight someone for a title, you have to go up in weight to do so. And a Wleterweight champion doesn't go down to 140 to defend his title. Calling Hatton blown up is straight up hating on Mayweather because he beat the prime version of Hatton. Mayweather then retired, and came back to beat a past prime-still good Juan Manuel Marquez in 09' by UD. Marquez was up at 144 for the first time, and it clearly showed. Mayweather then beat a past prime Mosley in 10' by UD. Mosley was past it, but was coming off knockong Margarito out and he hadn't lost in over 3 years. Now Mayweather is fighting a prime Victor Ortiz, coming off a big win over unbeaten Andre Berto.
That's how I examin Mayweather's career. A lot of pretty good, good, and great names on his resume. A lot of past-prime but still good fighters, but more prime or latter-prime fighters then Manny.Comment
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So both have great names on their resume.
Manny Pacquiao: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar Larios, Jorge Solis, Juan Manuel Marquez, David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, and Shane Mosley.
Floyd Mayweather Jr: Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Phillip N'dou, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Shane Mosley.
Both are all-time greats. Both have had their flaws in their career choices. Mayweather probably should have fought Margarito in 2006, even though he split with Top Rank. Now knowing that Margarito was hand wrapping, I am glad he didn't, although he probably still would have beaten Margarito. Mayweather should have fought Cotto when Miguel was calling him out in 2008 while he was retired. To be fair though, Mayweather and his camp were calling Cotto out back in 2006 and the Cotto camp said Miguel wasn't ready for Floyd. Mayweather should have fought Pacquiao, but that by no means was his fault completely. I give 30% of the blame to Floyd, 30% to Manny, and 40% to BOB ARUM. Floyd shouldn't be such an ****** in his negotiating, and it probably would have happened.
Manny is not without bad career choices though. He should have given Barrera an immediate rematch after their fight in 2003, as well as Marquez after the draw in 2004. He also should have given Marquez a 3rd fight after the controverisl SD in 2008. Instead, Manny said that business was done, only to fight Marquez 3 and a half years later anyway. Why not fight him again in 08' or 09' when he had more left??? Manny also should have fought Mosley when he was calling him out in 2009, but instead he fought him after Floyd accepted to fight him and beat him. Manny also should have been calling for fights with Andre Berto in 2010, instead of Clottey or Margarito. He also could have fought Victor Ortiz in 2011, but instead he agreed to fight Marquez this fall. He agreed to fight Marquez after Ortiz said he wants Pacquiao and before Mayweather ever even agreed to fight Ortiz. Manny also should have just agreed to the 14 days in December 09' or January 10', not 5-6 months later when negotiations were already done. He should have agreed, and the fight would happen. Instead you have Koncz saying Pacquiao doesn't want testing within 14 days, Arum says he does but no USADA at all, and Roach says they'll do whatever it takes. Manny needs to tell us what he's willing to do. Arum and the Pacquiao camp lied when tehy said Manny agreed back in July 2010, Koncz cleared that all up last month when he said Manny never agreed at all. Margarito also let it slip back in 2010, that Arum had promised him the Pacquiao fight in November 2010 back in February 2010. So, was Arum really intending on making the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight at all????
I am just saying, both are great and have flaws, and you can't blame one or the other about the fight not happening. The biggest reason it hasn't happened yet is BOB ARUM.Comment
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Khan v may can wait! We don't want khan v may or pac v ducking storm! We want MAY V PAC BEFORE ANY OTHER FIGHTS!Comment
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If I was Floyd Mayweather Jr, here's what I would do. This is a dream, and probably won't happen, but it would be great if it did.
He wants to give us 10 more good fights, but that won't happen. He's 34 and I can guarantee you that he will have slipped big time if he fights past 2013. I see 5-6 more fights for Mayweather. This is assumming he wins them, which could very well not happen.
September 2011: Victor Ortiz
December 2011: Robert Guerrero at a 144 pound catchweight or Andre Berto
May 2012: Manny Pacquiao
August 2012: Kell Brook or Timothy Bradley at 144 pound catchweight or maybe at 147
November 2012: Amir Khan
May 2013: Saul Alvarez at 150 pound catchweight
This will NOT happen. He obviously is already fighting Ortiz. If Guerrero beats Maidana, I can bet that Khan won't risk fighting him in December. Khan already said he wanted Guerrero, but instead fought Judah. He won't fight Robert Guerrero, that's clear. Bradley is also rumored to fight the Morales-Matthysse winner, instead of Khan. That would leave Khan fighting Lamont Peterson. Guerrero would need another fight, and already called out Mayweather back in April and May. A 144 pound catchweight with prime Robert Guerrero would be great for Mayweather's career and legacy. Guerrero is a great fighter, and his profile will boost big time if he beats Maidada and he IS the favorite. Anyone who says he is too small, get real. He already said he intends on fighting anyone at 140 or 147. If not, he could always fight Andre Bero, who is still in his latter-prime. Berto lost to Ortiz, but was not dominated by any means. Berto is fighting Zaveck in September for the IBF Title, and will most likely win. If Guerreo won't happen, fight a latter-prime Andre Berto in December and win another title. It keeps you active and makes Pacquiao look bad fighting another prime fighter.
That is of course assumming Mayweather was serious when he told Golden Boy he wants to fight another fight in December before Pacquiao in May. I don't even need to say anything about a Pacquiao fight in May, as it should happen.
Then it gets tricky. He could just wait the 6 months for the Khan fight, or stay more active as he said he intends to do. By summer 2012, Kell Brook will probably have beaten Senchenko in January or February 2012 for the WBA Title. He would then need another fight for the summer. He would be unbeaten and in his prime, which Mayweather said is what he's looking for at this point in his career. Brook would be young, in his prime, unbeaten, and have a title. Fight him in August 2012, 3 months between Pacquiao and Khan. Or, he could fight Timothy Bradley, either at a 144 catchweight or at 147. Bradley said he wants to fight Pacquiao and Mayweather, and that he would move up to 147. By that point, we know that Bradley-Khan won't happen yet and Bradley would have beaten the Morales-Matthysse winner in late 2011 or early 2012, and probably will have fought once more time as well. Bradley would be in his latter-prime and unbeaten. Either would be good for August 2012.
Then fight Khan in Novmber or December 2012. Khan will most likely have beaten Peterson in December 2011, and then move up to 147 in 2012. Khan should probably take on the winner of Jo Jo Dan-Selcuk Aydin as his first fight at 147, becuase he said the Kell Brook fight will not happen yet. Or, Khan could fight Mike Jones, or maybe even Victor Ortiz who would need a comeback fight after Mayweather beats him. Either way, Mayweather-Khan in November or December 2012.
Then, if he wanted to still fight, which is a big IF, fight Saul Alvarez on Cinco De Mayo in 2013. That would be huge!!! Do it at a catchweight of 150, Mayweather shouldn't go up to 154, he only weighed 150 against Oscar back in 2007 anyway. Alvarez would have no problem making 150. He would be in his prime and unbeaten. I live in Denver, hence the Four Corners (Colorado) reference in my username, and we have tons and tons of Mexican-Americans and Mexicans in my city and state. I can tell you for a fact, Mayweather-Alvarez on Cinco De Mayo 2013 would be one of the biggest fights in boxing and the Chicanos and Mexicans would go crazy all over the Southwest.
That's what I would do if I was Mayweather. It's a pipe dream and won't happen, because boxing is just like that.
What would be your reaction if it did happen just like that?????Comment
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September 2011: Mayweather vs Ortiz (WBC Welterweight title)
December 2011: Khan vs. either Morales/Matthyyse winner, Peterson, or Guerrero/Maidana winner (WBA Super, IBF, and maybe WBC Light-Welterweight titles)
March 2012: Khan vs. Berto/Zaveck winner (IBF Welterweight title) or Senchenko (WBA title)
June 2012: Mayweather vs. Pacquiao (WBC, WBO, Ring Magazine & P4P no.1 titles all on the line) (Mayweather should win)
July 2012: Khan vs. Brook, Senchenko or Ortiz (IBF and possibly the WBA title on the line)
December 2012: Mayweather vs. Khan (WBC, WBO, IBF, Ring Magazine, Undisputed Welterweight crown, and P4P no.1. titles all on the line, and perhaps WBA title too) (Mayweather should win)
July 2013: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather rematch (for all the titles)
That would be a dream come true!!!
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