Originally posted by Big Dunn
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BD why do you to it man? You are a smart guy and logical thinker, why do you come on here and debate with the mush brains. You must love to punish yourself. -
Won a close decision ? Of course he did..... i've seen many of those "close decisions".Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
Williams won a close decision to Lara.
Alexander won a close decision to Matthysse !!
Then *****s come here and say "Marquez was robbed against Pacquiao".....hahahaha !!
Maybe cuz i'm talking with FACTS idiot !!Originally posted by Stanly Ketchel View Post
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I've been a bad boy and this is how I cleanse myself.Originally posted by Stanly Ketchel View PostComment
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If you disagree with the judges thats cool with me. Thats why Lederman's scorecard is called UNOFFICIAL".Originally posted by DominiBox View PostWon a close decision ? Of course he did..... i've seen many of those "close decisions".
Williams won a close decision to Lara.
Alexander won a close decision to Matthysse !!
Maybe cuz i'm talking with FACTS idiot !!
I have often disagreed. JMM manny1,JMM Manny 2, Hagler SRL,Sweet Pea ODH.Comment
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Yeah... and Williams vs Lara were OFFICIAL !!Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
You disagreed with Pacquiao/Marquez I & II..... but let me guess, you agreed with every Floyd fight !! of course you do !!..... Close decision !!Comment
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Could you print Lederman's scores for the JMM/MAnny fights? And yes, of the 41 floyd fights, 16 have gone to the scorecards. I beleive floyd won everyone of those fights. The closest fight was the 1st Castillo fight.Originally posted by DominiBox View PostComment
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Here is some help for you if you can't find the lederman cards because as you so aptly put it: Then *****s come here and say "Marquez was robbed against Pacquiao".....hahahaha !! A list of "*****s" belowOriginally posted by DominiBox View PostWon a close decision ? Of course he did..... i've seen many of those "close decisions".
Williams won a close decision to Lara.
Alexander won a close decision to Matthysse !!
Then *****s come here and say "Marquez was robbed against Pacquiao".....hahahaha !!
Maybe cuz i'm talking with FACTS idiot !!
Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, krikya360.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
- Andrew Walker, ********boxing.com:115-114 Marquez
- Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
- Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
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Well.... I believe Floyd clearly lost Castillo I....Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
Mine was 114-113 Pacquiao.... a gave the 12th round to Marquez.Comment
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And a lot of people other than me disagreed with Lederman. Get the point? Being a floyd fan has nothing to do with how I scored the JMM/Manny fights.Originally posted by DominiBox View PostWell.... I believe Floyd clearly lost Castillo I....
Now of course since I like floyd I obviously scored close rounds in the Castillo fight for him. As a hater you obviously scored them for castillo.
But I don't hate Manny nor love JMM and niether do the people whose scores I listed.Last edited by The Big Dunn; 08-16-2011, 10:43 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
Final Scores
Official Cards
Anek Hongtongkam: 116-110 Mayweather
John Keane: 115-111 Mayweather
Jerry Roth: 115-111 Mayweather
The Boxing Bulletin Cards
Lee Patyon: 115-112 Castillo
Michael Nelson: 114-113 Castillo
Andrew Fruman: 114-113 Castillo
Joseph R. Holzer: 114-112 Castillo
Matt Chudley: 116-112 Castillo
"115-112 for Jose Luis Castillo who took over in the 6th. Floyd won the 10th but it was turned into a 9-9. I didn't give Floyd a single 10 in any round past the 5th." - Lee Payton
"Running theme was Floyd controlling the first half of rounds with his jab and Castillo outworking him in the last half of rounds with his body work." - Michael Nelson
"I had Castillo coming on strong to win 114-113. Could I have scored it for Floyd? The 11th round which I gave to JLC was very close, so reversing that one does give Floyd the fight on my card. That said, I believe I gave Floyd the benefit of the doubt in more of the close ones - and when you need to give a fighter every benefit of the doubt, it's hard to say he was a worthy winner."
"Before tallying my scorecard, I believed Jose Luis retained his championship by his work in the latter rounds. Once he figured out the Mayweather conundrum, Castillo pressed harder and was effectively aggressive whereas Mayweather relied on defense and counterpunching. I like the stronger guy and the one who lands more.
Those scorecards were awful. I can see my score reversed, a draw or a wider margin in Castillo's favor. There were close rounds, but there were many more clear ones for the champion." - Joeseph R. Holzer
"As is sometimes the case with contentious decisions, the judges seemed to have scored the fight as it was expected to play out or at least seem to have been influenced by their preconceptions. Castillo put forward the greater volume of work and seemed to hurt the hometown fighter on a couple of occasions. He was the clear winner on my card." - Matt ChudleyComment
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