Official Vitali Klitschko-Odlanier Solis and undercards RbR discussion thread

[adamk1304]

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The punch that made contact with Solis landed just as cleanly if not more than the punch against Hide. The possibility that the punch hurt Solis shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

[Mr. Invincible]

No, I didn't take the punch. Yes, I have an idea of what kind of damage it might've had. I base my opinion on having watched countless pro and amateur fights in every conceivable way, including participation in some boxing of my own.

As it turns out, there's physical evidence that the "Bambi on Ice" impression you refer to was caused, not by that "tremendous" blow Vitali landed, but by Solis's knee giving way to "tears to his anterior cruciate ligament and external meniscus, as well as cartilage damage in his right knee." (As reported by ESPN.com.)

Look...Vitali won, fair and square. But you're barking up the wrong tree if you're trying to convince me that Vitali's pinky knuckle knocked Solis senseless by making contact with the top of his head. Vitali hits very hard, but he doesn't possess super powers.

He definitely was injured as a result of a punch that caused the disorientation. If you can't clearly see that you are following the wrong sport I'm afraid.

[LeadUppercut]

I agree, a TKO was the right call but a case could be made either way. He barely made it up at 10 and couldn't have continued even if not injured when falling awkwardly.

Actually, I watched the replay last night.

I agree with your call, a case could be made either way.

It was debatable whether Solis technically made the count.

Either way, that was definitely a genuine tko/ko.

[LeadUppercut]

Teddy Atlas was picking Solis to win.

He's wrong 9 times out of 10.

Damn I didn't know that.

Atlas screwed Solis

[Telepath]

Solis might have been winning the round on some score cards, but that's just because Vitali had absolutely zero regard for Solis' punching power. He was simply walking him down and trying to get him out of there. No matter what, the end result would've been a knockout win for Klitschko. It just sucks that it came so fast, and on a really weird shot. However, I do think that the temple hit genuinely dazed Solis. Thos punches can have very potent effects if they land "right", or "wrong" depending on how you look at it.

[Dave Rado]

With all due respect, it was recorded as a KO, it's official in Boxre*.

Whatever boxrec recorded it as, the fact is that he beat the count but the ref stopped the fight because he couldn't continue, because of his leg injury, and not because of any direct effect from the punch. So you're splitting hairs, because the fact is, he was not knocked out, and if you think he was you either didn't see the fight or you're blind.

That said, it was a completely legitimate stoppage.

[Dave Rado]

David Haye has a case of Mayweather-itis, and has talked trash for two years about how he'd do this and do that to either of the Klitschko Bros, yet he WON'T fight either, so shut up.

You should keep up to date - Haye and Wlad have signed to fight each other.

[Dave Rado]

Teddy Atlas was picking Solis to win.

He's wrong 9 times out of 10.

I thought it was more like 99 times out of 100? When was he last right?

[LeadUppercut]

Whatever boxrec recorded it as, the fact is that he beat the count but the ref stopped the fight because he couldn't continue, because of his leg injury, and not because of any direct effect from the punch. So you're splitting hairs, because the fact is, he was not knocked out, and if you think he was you either didn't see the fight or you're blind.

That said, it was a completely legitimate stoppage.

That's how I saw it.

But after watching the replay, I'm not too sure if he did beat the count.

IMHO, that is solely determined by refereeing interpretation, because of the split second timing between the count ending and the stoppage.

In many cases, a fighter will appear to beat the count, say up at 8-9, but has clearly not recovered, cannot defend himself, and is in no position to continue the fight..... in which case, a KO is correct.

Alternatively, often the TKO is a result of the bout continuing, but being quickly broken up by the referee after he can see that the fighter is done.

I dunno man, I'm gonna go with Invincible on this, it could go either way depending on referee interpretation as to whether he judged that Solis actually beat the count and was in a position to continue, or whether he determined that he was not in a position to continue the fight immediately after getting up off the deck.

I am sitting on the fence

Either is hard to argue against, and both could be argued as correct.

Vit gets a legit tko/ko either way.

[Mr. Invincible]

Whatever boxrec recorded it as, the fact is that he beat the count but the ref stopped the fight because he couldn't continue, because of his leg injury, and not because of any direct effect from the punch. So you're splitting hairs, because the fact is, he was not knocked out, and if you think he was you either didn't see the fight or you're blind.

That said, it was a completely legitimate stoppage.

Lol, Dave, I thought you had more sense than to talk to me that way. Either way, Solis was knocked out because of disorientation and the fact that he could not get his footing was a result of the punch impact and not just the supposed knee injury. Did he injure his knee? It appears that he did (he rolled his left ankle as well) but for one to sit there and look at that footage and not recognize that Solis was more than just injured on his knee has no business following this sport. He was clearly just out on his feet, legs rubber and if injury occured from that, it's irrelevant. He wasn't making the count even if he wasn't injured.

Peace.