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Sergio Martinez getting disrespected in the P4P ranks
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Originally posted by Zarco View Post2 fights that Martinez didnt even win add to his stock and puts his resume infront of Donaires! LMAO at Montiel being better than Williams. Pavlik and Darchinyan are the same to me except that Pavlik had 4 inches and 12lbs on Martinez.
Like I said the 1-1 still adds to his stock. Martinez fought 4 tough fights against top boxers and never looked bad doing it. On the other hand Donaire had good little breaks after Vic against the Manuel Vargas's of the world.
so who are these fighters martinez had beaten before williams and pavlik?... you didn't answered the question... what stock are you talking about?...
montiel is the world #1 bantamweight and holds 2 major world championships before the fight with donaire... what is williams' ranking in his division before he fought martinez?...
you've heard of martinez just last year... everyone knows that donaire blitz an undefeated darchinyan back in 2007...
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Martinez has been gettin' disrespected by everyone. HBO screwed him over by not letting him fight Zbik, but theyre still his one ally. The WBC doesnt want him holding their straps, and every promoter is afraid to let him near their money makers. It sucks.
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Martinez just happens to be stuck in a crap weight divison. There are good boxers in middleweight but outside of fans, nobody can even name five of them. If he wants to be marketable, he should move up to SMW and try his luck there. There is no money or popularity to be won where he's at now.
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Originally posted by Zarco View PostAs he always has been. If you dont have a major country backing you, you dont get hyped, go places as fast/easy as others do. In 2010 Martinez who is 7 years older than Donaire beat an elite boxer with 12 pounds and 4 inches on him then knocked out a widely regarded P4P#3 elite boxer with 5 inches on him, thats like if Donaire had knocked out a P4P#3 elite boxer who was 5'11....oh god I dont even want to think about it hed probably be proclaimed an instant ATG. Not to mention Martinez won fighter of the year/knock out of the year, robbed twice in one fight, on the short end of the Williams fight because he was the lesser name, stripped of his hard earned titles to make a mexican fraud a champ, dudes just getting disrespected all around. Nonito should be in the P4P list and Im a big fan but Nonito stops Montiel and now some people want to bump Martinez down? I seen Montiel get beat by fucking Z Gorres. HBO listed Rafael Concepcion as a notable win for fucks sake!!! the equivalent of Alex Bunema!! Give credit where its due foos.....
Outside of fighting Williams 2x (losing one, winning one), beating Pavlik and getting f****d with no vaseline by Margarito, he really doesnt have a stellar resume. I dont think that Donaire knocking out Montiel should have skyrocketed him up the p4p, but I feel the same way about Martinez; he ko'd Williams and he shot alllllllllll the way up the list. That was a bunch of bull**** to me too..
If anything, you can make a case for other fighters getting disrespected by Martinez getting thrown up in the rankings, just like youre making a case for Martinez getting disrespected by Donaire's ranking being increased..
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Donaire outranked Martinez before both fought Montiel and WIlliams respectively. But because of how he defeated Williams and the status of Williams as a fighter, Sergio moved up ahead to #3.
But now Donaire has done the same to an equally caliber opponent,so he deserved to jump ahead of Martinez in the rankings. It's back and forth between the two at this point. And it will depend on Martinez next fight, and Donaire's next opponent to solidify their rankings. At this point, is still shaky in regards to #3 and #4.
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Originally posted by Zarco View PostAs he always has been. If you dont have a major country backing you, you dont get hyped, go places as fast/easy as others do. In 2010 Martinez who is 7 years older than Donaire beat an elite boxer with 12 pounds and 4 inches on him then knocked out a widely regarded P4P#3 elite boxer with 5 inches on him, thats like if Donaire had knocked out a P4P#3 elite boxer who was 5'11....oh god I dont even want to think about it hed probably be proclaimed an instant ATG. Not to mention Martinez won fighter of the year/knock out of the year, robbed twice in one fight, on the short end of the Williams fight because he was the lesser name, stripped of his hard earned titles to make a mexican fraud a champ, dudes just getting disrespected all around. Nonito should be in the P4P list and Im a big fan but Nonito stops Montiel and now some people want to bump Martinez down? I seen Montiel get beat by fucking Z Gorres. HBO listed Rafael Concepcion as a notable win for fucks sake!!! the equivalent of Alex Bunema!! Give credit where its due foos.....Originally posted by jellybeans View PostSuch is life. Why don't you question Floydie fans why the chicken farmer is still #2 when he's already yesterdays news. Heard of him fight recently?
Or are you afraid of the FL**** brigade?
Jelly beans answered and asked you some question there.I thinks Sergio should be #3 Donaire # 1 and Pacman #1.
True Pwill was also rated P4P when they fought.However What weight more is Donaire Dethroned Montiel and took his 2 world title in the same fashion that Martinez destroyed Williams.
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