A great African American fighter always beats a great Mexican fighter.

[Steak]

Ill have to agree that Cunningham presently is the top guy in the division. the Adamek fight was actually extremely close despite the knockdowns, and also he has wins over every other titlist in the division(Jones,Wlordysak and Huck)

wins over Ross and Braithwait are just extra credit. at the moment hes definitely top dog at Cruiserweight.

[jrosales13]

Elite is subjective, in our days, american fighters are overrated, overhyped because the boxing media, the HOF are american.
In fact, all the fighters fighting on HBO,showtime are overrated, because dudes doing P4P lists only watch those medias and so those fighters.

I remember Pavlik was P4P number 3, looool!!!
Hopkins and Mosley in the TOP 10 P4P was a joke.Old man couldn't beat Pascal the bum.Mosley could't beat Mora.

Bradley is a titilist like the others...
WHO THE **** BRADLEY HAS BEATEN to deserve to be P4P???peterbum?HOLT??A past it average Witter??

You're another idiot. Is a waste of time talking boxing with you.

[RIZO24]

Blacks have beat Mexicans and Mexicans have beat blacks. At elite levels though its hard to say!! The ones that comes to mind is when Whitaker beat Chavez but was ruled a draw, then I can say Castillo IMO beat Mayweather but was given to Mayweather!! De La Hoya beating Mosely in the second fight!!

[BillyBoxing]

if you consider this modern day fat titty ball having heavyweight division & battering of anyone I would have to question your sanity....apart from that you made good points

this is what real heavyweight looks like. when heavyweights use to fight 15 rounds....

Is this soft slow US redneck Randall Cobb an athlete??
WOW!!!Awesome!!You are a joke dude.
Btw, "american bot" shows your orientation.That's really what you are.

Holmes battered a shot Ali and fought 20 bums in a row until a lightheavyweight came up and beat his ass.
He had a good jab.
LOL

[jrosales13]

Ill have to agree that Cunningham presently is the top guy in the division. the Adamek fight was actually extremely close despite the knockdowns, and also he has wins over every other titlist in the division(Jones,Wlordysak and Huck)

wins over Ross and Braithwait are just extra credit. at the moment hes definitely top dog at Cruiserweight.

Cunningham is a very good and underrated fighter. However, don't call him or Dirrell elite and at the same time say Montiel is not elite.

Nor don't try to justify Cunningham being as an elite by mentioning his rankings by boxrec but ignore the face that Hugo is also rank #1 in his division by boxrec.

But, now that Adamek is gone no doubt Cunningham is the best in his division.

[americanbot]

Hold up you think Ward, Dirrell, and USS are elite but not Montiel? They have proven themselves but Montiel has to prove himself against Donaire?

I respectfully disagree with all that. Montiel is more proven than those 3. And, if those 3 are elite than Montiel is also.

Anyways this whole subject is idiotic.

Both SRR and Armstrong(2 of possibly the top 5 greatest fighters of all time from any race or nationality) lost to Mexican fighters. Whitaker last fight was against Mexican in a fight that he had to retire due to an injury. Vargas beat Winky. Rafa beat Too Sharp who should and probably will be in the HOF. And, Too Sharp after 2 Rafa losses, beat Montiel.


So yes there has been Mexican fighters who have beat top African American fighters. And, there has been African Americans who have beat Mexicans fighters. There has been Puerto Ricans who have beat both and vice versa. There are Europeans who beat all of a Amercian continent and vice versa. Include Asians, Africans and Aussies. This whole subject is just ******.

I'm not ready to call Montiel elite just yet. i would like to see how he looks against donaire first. the only reason i consider dirrell elite is because he's proven himself against froch...(in my opinion he outboxed froch comfortably) now i consider donaire elite.....but I don't know about montiel. i want to see if movement troubles montiel...i want to see if he can fight a guy thats on the out side. if montiel can beat a guy like donaire thats gonna try to outbox him yes he would be elite & very consistent. i would argue that he should be in the conversation for p4p...but i gotta see if a skillful guy trying to outbox him **** with his mind or not.

[BillyBoxing]

I'm not ready to call Montiel elite just yet. i would like to see how he looks against donaire first. the only reason i consider dirrell elite is because he's proven himself against froch...(in my opinion he outboxed froch comfortably) now i consider donaire elite.....but I don't know about montiel. i want to see if movement troubles montiel...i want to see if he can fight a guy thats on the out side. if montiel can beat a guy like donaire thats gonna try to outbox him yes he would be elite & very consistent. i would argue that he should be in the conversation for p4p...but i gotta see if someone trying to outbox him ****s with his mind or not.

When Dirrell did that Clown??
He wasn't able to outbox clearly a one two fighter like Froch.He lost...

[jrosales13]

I'm not ready to call Montiel elite just yet. i would like to see how he looks against donaire first. the only reason i consider dirrell elite is because he's proven himself against froch...(in my opinion he outboxed froch comfortably) now i consider donaire elite.....but I don't know about montiel. i want to see if movement troubles montiel...i want to see if he can fight a guy thats on the out side. if montiel can beat a guy like donaire thats gonna try to outbox him yes he would be elite & very consistent. i would argue that he should be in the conversation for p4p...but i gotta see if someone trying to outbox him ****s with his mind or not.

But, didn't Montiel already prove that against Hasegawa?

And, when has Dirrell ever prove if movement bothers him?

And, how is Donaire elite? Cuz' of his win over Darchinyan?

Again Montiel has beaten top fighters in Castillo and Hasegawa 2 guys with different styles. Something really neither Donaire nor Dirrell can say.

[americanbot]

Is this soft slow US redneck Randall Cobb an athlete??
WOW!!!Awesome!!You are a joke dude.
Btw, "american bot" shows your orientation.That's really what you are.

Holmes battered a shot Ali and fought 20 bums in a row until a lightheavyweight came up and beat his ass.
He had a good jab.
LOL

& you've proved my point *****. holmes record destroys both klits records all at them same time.....holmes was master in the ring who fought everyone.

you = a BAFOON.

WHOHAHAHAHAHA

[Steak]

Is this soft slow US redneck Randall Cobb an athlete??
WOW!!!Awesome!!You are a joke dude.
Btw, "american bot" shows your orientation.That's really what you are.

Holmes battered a shot Ali and fought 20 bums in a row until a lightheavyweight came up and beat his ass.
He had a good jab.
LOL

Randall Tex Cobb wasnt the most complete fighter ever, but he had a ridiculously excellent chin and was a bit more skilled than people give him credit for.

Holmes' win over Norton was excellent considering how good Holmes was at dealing with boxer type fighters, and Weaver, Shavers, Cooney, Witherspoon, Smith and Williams were all quality too. not to mention that late in his career at 42 or 43 he beat Ray Mercer more convincingly than a near prime Lennox Lewis did, and also gave Holyfield a surprisingly difficult fight.

Michael Spinks is one of the greatest lightheavyweights ever.