A great African American fighter always beats a great Mexican fighter.

[Doctor_Tenma]

False.

Many blacks cheat their way to win against Mexican fighters, like for example:

1.) Mosley using EPO Steroids when he fought Margarito.
2.) Frankie randall using steroids when he fought Julio Cesar Chavez./
3.) nate campbell using EPO Steroids when he fought Juan Diaz.


Chavez beat Whitaker, cause Chavez pressed the fight throughout, but Whitaker ran.
In Texas, they want to see fighting, not running like Whitaker did, which is why Whitaker didnt deserve a 'win"

Go rewatch that, Whitaker beat Chavez from all ranges, I remember at one point Chavez started back peddaling because he couldn't deal with Pernell's body punching.

[mr cartoon]

Hold up you think Ward, Dirrell, and USS are elite but not Montiel? They have proven themselves but Montiel has to prove himself against Donaire?

I respectfully disagree with all that. Montiel is more proven than those 3. And, if those 3 are elite than Montiel is also.

Anyways this whole subject is idiotic.

Both SRR and Armstrong(2 of possibly the top 5 greatest fighters of all time from any race or nationality) lost to Mexican fighters. Whitaker last fight was against Mexican in a fight that he had to retire due to an injury. Vargas beat Winky. Rafa beat Too Sharp who should and probably will be in the HOF. And, Too Sharp after 2 Rafa losses, beat Montiel.


So yes there has been Mexican fighters who have beat top African American fighters. And, there has been African Americans who have beat Mexicans fighters. There has been Puerto Ricans who have beat both and vice versa. There are Europeans who beat all of a Amercian continent and vice versa. Include Asians, Africans and Aussies. This whole subject is just ******.

that's probably your best post ever

[BillyBoxing]

really? cunningham ruling the div? if that's so it's only cuz adamek left to HW and so did david haye there's no 1 at that weight class

Cunningham isn't ruling ****, he fought a "world class" opponent 4 times ins his career and lost twice.

He's a good fighter but never was the CW king (except in Philly of course).
He got beat by a light heavyweight btw...

[americanbot]

Who cares???

Maybe americans have better training, style, and juice (shout out to Roy,Mosley,Toney and Holyfield).

It's not about being mexican or black, mexicans come from a third world country, they don't have the same means, and they have a style easy to outbox, but more balls...

BTW, eastern europeans in this new era almost always batters afro americans when they fought them...almost embarassing

still an interesting question huh??

if you consider this modern day fat titty ball having heavyweight division & battering of anyone I would have to question your sanity....apart from that you made good points

this is what real heavyweight looks like. when heavyweights use to fight 15 rounds....

[mr cartoon]

Cunningham isn't ruling ****, he fought a "world class" opponent 4 times ins his career and lost twice.

He's a good fighter but never was the CW king (except in Philly of course).
He got beat by a light heavyweight btw...

i know i didn't say cunningham was ruling **** that was a a quoute from americanbot

[Steak]

Go rewatch that, Whitaker beat Chavez from all ranges, I remember at one point Chavez started back peddaling because he couldn't deal with Pernell's body punching.

agreed, Whitaker did not win from running(which would actually have been a losing strategy against Chavez), he won because he was an extremely complete fighter and still in his prime. and he happens to have one of the best jabs in the history of boxing, and is overall one of the best fighters of all time period.
Chavez moving up in weight probably didnt help either.

Very entertaining, competitive fight though. much more of a rough, foul filled fight than people probably expected on the part of Whitaker. Its a shame its so overshadowed by the robbery because its really an excellent matchup full of skill.
hilarious when Whitaker basicaly told Cortez to get the **** out of his way

[americanbot]

Cunningham isn't ruling ****, he fought a "world class" opponent 4 times ins his career and lost twice.

He's a good fighter but never was the CW king (except in Philly of course).
He got beat by a light heavyweight btw...

check box rec or anywhere else....cunningham is the king of cruiserweight division. where is HUGO? what has HUGO done? where is HUGO ranked? you don't get ranked for getting the ape **** beat out of you. hugo is at the BOTTOM of the divison and have been fighting bums lately you ret@rd. while cunningham is at the top of that divison. no camparision.

[mr cartoon]

check box rec or anywhere else....cunningham is the king of cruiserweight division. where is HUGO? what has HUGO done? where is HUGO ranked? you don't get ranked for getting the ape **** beat out of you. hugo is at the BOTTOM of the divison and have been fighting bums lately you ret@rd. while cunningham is at the top of that divison. no camparision.

cunningham lost to adamek and if david haye was in CW he would beat him too oh btw Segura and JMM are lineal champs and better then those fighters you named

[BillyBoxing]

tittles means nothing in this modern day & age of boxing. too many of them.

actually NAME the elite mexican fighters.....

Elite is subjective, in our days, american fighters are overrated, overhyped because the boxing media, the HOF are american.
In fact, all the fighters fighting on HBO,showtime are overrated, because dudes doing P4P lists only watch those medias and so those fighters.

I remember Pavlik was P4P number 3, looool!!!
Hopkins and Mosley in the TOP 10 P4P was a joke.Old man couldn't beat Pascal the bum.Mosley could't beat Mora.

Bradley is a titilist like the others...
WHO THE **** BRADLEY HAS BEATEN to deserve to be P4P???peterbum?HOLT??A past it average Witter??

[jrosales13]

check box rec or anywhere else....cunningham is the king of cruiserweight division. where is HUGO? what has HUGO done? where is HUGO ranked? you don't get ranked for getting the ape **** beat out of you. hugo is at the BOTTOM of the divison and have been fighting bums lately you ret@rd. while cunningham is at the top of that divison. no camparision.

Bro, no disrespect but either you're racist or just dumb.

First of all Cunningham is not the king of the CW division. He is However rank #1 at CW by boxrec and RingTV. ANd, he had a questionable win over Canadian Troy Ross but won regardless. But, being rank #1 doesn't mean lineal champ which means he is not king.

And, by the same token Hugo Cazares is a 2 division champ and a former lineal champ. Something that I don't think Cunningham has ever done. But, since you like boxrec rankings so much Cazares is also rank #1 by boxrec and the ring mind you. Just like Cunningham is.

And, for the record I don't go by boxrec rankings they usually suck. But, that is just me though.