Comments Thread For: Martinez: I Don't Blame Arum For Protecting Pacquiao

[WESS]

I don't think he is obligated to fight him. I agree with you on that.

But I'm not joking when I say Manny could beat him. I favor Martinez via UD but it's possible Manny could win....is all I'm saying just like I favor Martinez over Mayweather and think it's possible Floyd can win.

Martinez is a tremendous fighter and I think he is the 5th best fighter in the world behind Manny Floyd Ward and Wladmir Klitshcko....but I'm looking at this guy and seeing a lot of things wrong in his game that Manny can capitalize off of. Will he beat Manny....probably...but I feel it will be closer than what most think and I wouldn't rule out Manny pulling off the upset.

Your right. Manny could beat him if Roach got his way. Roach is really smart and knows what needs to be done and advantages needed in order to win.

Yes Martinez at this stage in his career if he pulled a De La Hoya and attempted to move down to 147 he would certainly not be favored to win as he would most likely be very drained as was Hoya. The 154 Hoya that (IMO beat) fought Mayweather beats Pac. My point is Pac's being exposed on his cherry picking by moving up to 154 facing a Margarito and then saying Martinez is "too big" etc etc. My point, Pac moved up and "won" Martinez's old title. What's the problem.

I have it
Martinez>Mayweather>Pac at 154
Mayweather>Pac>Martinez at 147
Mayweather>Pac at 147-154
styles make fights and all three fighting each other would be great to see.

If Pac doesn't want to fight at 154 now, fine but that's ducking in my books. Just like ducking Mosley when he was #1 and coming off a KO victory. There is a trend. You're correct if you say the trend is either Pac avoids fighters that are coming off serious wins or a trend of Pac "picking" exposed fighters to face. Eitherway Martinez is validating the point, let alone Mosley and Mayweather.

Anyway I almost feel about the same way as you do. I feel both Mayweather and Pac have a really really good chance at beating Martinez at 147 because he would be "de la Hoya'ed" but at 154 he takes both. Mayweather takes Pac to school from 147-154.

I'm a big fan of Pac's just a BIG disappointed fan in Pac. I take my hat off for the Cotto fight because I picked Cotto to win but since JMM II and Cotto. Its been shyt and it seems to be getting worse with Mosley and JMM at 147 talks..

Seems like Pac is doing what everyone bashed Mayweather for doing when he "moved up" to 147 (no catchweight). Only problem is Mayweather actually beat 2 out of the TOP 3 guys at WW right from the start to become #1 WW and #1 P4P and then fought Hoya at HIS weight (154, no catch) and HIS advantages (glove size, ring size etc). Pac's not even doing that......

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Your right. Manny could beat him if Roach got his way. Roach is really smart and knows what needs to be done and advantages needed in order to win.

Yes Martinez at this stage in his career if he pulled a De La Hoya and attempted to move down to 147 he would certainly not be favored to win as he would most likely be very drained as was Hoya. The 154 Hoya that (IMO beat) fought Mayweather beats Pac. My point is Pac's being exposed on his cherry picking by moving up to 154 facing a Margarito and then saying Martinez is "too big" etc etc. My point, Pac moved up and "won" Martinez's old title. What's the problem.

I have it
Martinez>Mayweather>Pac at 154
Mayweather>Pac>Martinez at 147
Mayweather>Pac at 147-154
styles make fights and all three fighting each other would be great to see.

If Pac doesn't want to fight at 154 now, fine but that's ducking in my books. Just like ducking Mosley when he was #1 and coming off a KO victory. There is a trend. You're correct if you say the trend is either Pac avoids fighters that are coming off serious wins or a trend of Pac "picking" exposed fighters to face. Eitherway Martinez is validating the point, let alone Mosley and Mayweather.

Anyway I almost feel about the same way as you do. I feel both Mayweather and Pac have a really really good chance at beating Martinez at 147 because he would be "de la Hoya'ed" but at 154 he takes both. Mayweather takes Pac to school from 147-154.

I'm a big fan of Pac's just a BIG disappointed fan in Pac. I take my hat off for the Cotto fight because I picked Cotto to win but since JMM II and Cotto. Its been shyt and it seems to be getting worse with Mosley and JMM at 147 talks..

Seems like Pac is doing what everyone bashed Mayweather for doing when he "moved up" to 147 (no catchweight). Only problem is Mayweather actually beat 2 out of the TOP 3 guys at WW right from the start to become #1 WW and #1 P4P and then fought Hoya at HIS weight (154, no catch) and HIS advantages (glove size, ring size etc). Pac's not even doing that......

You are gonna have to get up purty early in the morning to argue with this dude.

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If "Manny is light welterweight", then why won't he fight Marquez at 140?

Here, lemme give ya a hint..... because, that is only the latest in a continual long line of "b1tch moves" made by Team Manny "padded" Pacquiao.

Tell me, if there any chance that the great JMW champion Pacquiao, will actually fight a JMW?

And you talk about double-standards?

I thought so.

Oh BTW, I try to make a number of contributions on this site, regarding all sorts of fighters, whereas YOU ONLY SEEM TO APPEAR ON A MANNY THREAD.

I can't wait until you little Manny flag-wavers are gone.

I've been on the forum a long time but rarely post because it's full of childish, myopic idiots like you. What do you get out of bashing fighters all the time? What would you like Manny to have done differently? Which fighters do you think are better than him; fight better competition; and perform better than him?

I just like to offer a little perspective on matters. Sure there are things he could have done differently, but I suspect you would criticise regardless. I don't see anyone in the last three years that's fought better competition and to the standard he has though - so you must be pretty discontented with the sport in general.

Of course, we both know that's not what this is about though. You're a Floyd fan, who feels your own identity is under threat because "your guy" isn't getting the plaudits anymore. You spend every waking second looking for angles and ammunition for the forums - your only place to espouse your life's frustrations.

Pitiful behaviour from too many people. The Internet is just a place for nobodies to live out their insecurities, free from accountability.

[dan-b]

Your right. Manny could beat him if Roach got his way. Roach is really smart and knows what needs to be done and advantages needed in order to win.

Yes Martinez at this stage in his career if he pulled a De La Hoya and attempted to move down to 147 he would certainly not be favored to win as he would most likely be very drained as was Hoya. The 154 Hoya that (IMO beat) fought Mayweather beats Pac. My point is Pac's being exposed on his cherry picking by moving up to 154 facing a Margarito and then saying Martinez is "too big" etc etc. My point, Pac moved up and "won" Martinez's old title. What's the problem.

I have it
Martinez>Mayweather>Pac at 154
Mayweather>Pac>Martinez at 147
Mayweather>Pac at 147-154
styles make fights and all three fighting each other would be great to see.

If Pac doesn't want to fight at 154 now, fine but that's ducking in my books. Just like ducking Mosley when he was #1 and coming off a KO victory. There is a trend. You're correct if you say the trend is either Pac avoids fighters that are coming off serious wins or a trend of Pac "picking" exposed fighters to face. Eitherway Martinez is validating the point, let alone Mosley and Mayweather.

Anyway I almost feel about the same way as you do. I feel both Mayweather and Pac have a really really good chance at beating Martinez at 147 because he would be "de la Hoya'ed" but at 154 he takes both. Mayweather takes Pac to school from 147-154.

I'm a big fan of Pac's just a BIG disappointed fan in Pac. I take my hat off for the Cotto fight because I picked Cotto to win but since JMM II and Cotto. Its been shyt and it seems to be getting worse with Mosley and JMM at 147 talks..

Seems like Pac is doing what everyone bashed Mayweather for doing when he "moved up" to 147 (no catchweight). Only problem is Mayweather actually beat 2 out of the TOP 3 guys at WW right from the start to become #1 WW and #1 P4P and then fought Hoya at HIS weight (154, no catch) and HIS advantages (glove size, ring size etc). Pac's not even doing that......

The good old "I'm a fan but" ploy. Transparent and old hat. We can all play the discrediting game, it's really not difficult.

[dan-b]

He's fast, he's strong, he can box and he's not coming off a loss or a fight looking shot exposed etc etc etc.... He's a champion and a REAL threat who's shorter than the two biggest fighters Pac has faced. He's a completely different fighter than Pac's latest line up. Why wouldn't anyone want to see it is the real question. Only down side to things IMO is that he's not getting any younger.....

But the fact that Martinez is a NON cherry picked, NON Top Rank fighter with a style that should make ANY fan of Pac's want to see him in the ring with. Martinez or Mayweather.

IMO if Mayweather returns, he should be priority #1 for Team Pac, if that doesn't work out for what ever reason then talks with Martinez should take place next. But that wont happen because lets look at a historical fact:

Mosley came off a KO victory over Margarito and became the #1 WW, Pac ducked him. He was "too good" at the moment. One could use the Mosley was still with Golden Boy excuse as of why the fight didn't take place but then that validates that Pac ducked Mayweather too who's still "golden".

So as history shows us Pac will avoid/duck/slide by Martinez, who just came off a KO over PWILL "the most feared man in boxing". Martinez is just "too good" at the moment as he's #1 JMW where Pac holds a title at. Maybe Martinez needs to get OLD, schooled, and come off a loss or draw in order for Pac to call him a "bigger" prime, top P4P, king king of a threat? Maybe Floyd needs to lose or look really bad in order for Pac not to feel "drained" by giving blood randomly or what ever else it was?

So if Pac ducks Martinez and realizes Mosley's no champion, hasn't won since 2008 and brings nothing to the table he will then turn to JMM at 147?

Pac is asking of JMM what Martinez is asking of Pac. Who's wrong here?

Think about this first.
JMM doesn't hold a title at WW, hasn't looked good at WW or even won a fight at WW. Pac has done all the above AT JMW for his WBC JMW title he won OR did he disgracefully cheat boxing, cheat the fans, cheat history and should be bashed and called a "coward" for supporting and "cherry picking" POS cheaters that have no place in boxing?

If you choose that he legitimately won that title and is no coward than you must not forget that the title Pac NOW holds is the very same title Martinez held until June 2010. He wants it back. That validates a fight to be made.

Zzzz....zzzz....zzzz.

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I've been on the forum a long time but rarely post because it's full of childish, myopic idiots like you. What do you get out of bashing fighters all the time? What would you like Manny to have done differently? Which fighters do you think are better than him; fight better competition; and perform better than him?

I just like to offer a little perspective on matters. Sure there are things he could have done differently, but I suspect you would criticise regardless. I don't see anyone in the last three years that's fought better competition and to the standard he has though - so you must be pretty discontented with the sport in general.

Of course, we both know that's not what this is about though. You're a Floyd fan, who feels your own identity is under threat because "your guy" isn't getting the plaudits anymore. You spend every waking second looking for angles and ammunition for the forums - your only place to espouse your life's frustrations.

Pitiful behaviour from too many people. The Internet is just a place for nobodies to live out their insecurities, free from accountability.

You are full-of-**** kid.

Let me show you why I do not have a lot of respect for you.....

Awhile ago, I made a series of valid points in a post - I know you can remember the thread - and yet instead of addressing any of those points, you did exactly the same thing to me that you just did to WESS.....

Zzzz....zzzz....zzzz.

I mean, how fkn pig-ignorant is that ?

There were some well-documented, well-researched, points in his post, and yet you decided to walk all over it without addressing any of them.

I will do you the honor of addressing your post, because you clearly put some time and effort into it, which is a lot more respect than you showed WESS. Please remember that if you reply.

I've been on the forum a long time but rarely post because it's full of childish, myopic idiots like you. What do you get out of bashing fighters all the time?

I have posted about DOZENS of fighters, and the only two that I have ever "bashed" are Margarito, and Manny.....
Margarito = I am not explaining why because it is clearly obvious
Manny = I have explained why, and you won't listen

What would you like Manny to have done differently? Which fighters do you think are better than him; fight better competition; and perform better than him?

I have told you exactly why, IN THIS VERY THREAD. I suspect that you may have "zzzzzzzzzz" and not noticed? Just an assumption, but you did that to WESS, so who knows?

I want Manny to fight a skilled boxer, or counter-puncher, the last one he fought beat him, and I want to see him tested again. Regardless of style, I want him to finally fight somebody who is on top of their game, and that is not much to ask for.

IT IS NO COINCIDENCE, that all of Manny's opponents since Marquez have been one-dimensional and out-of-their comfort zone.

I want him to fight an actual JMW. Not necessarily Sergio - although it is disappointing that Manny would fight the bigger Margarito, and yet not want a bar of Maravilla - but a JMW champion that has never actually faced a JMW opponent, is a joke.

And I want Manny to fight Marquez at 140, anything higher than that is a straight out b1tch-move, and I have repeatedly stated why.

And lastly, I want Manny to agree to random blood testing, I mean WTF? If Team Pacquiao had nothing to hide then they would have agreed to OST's, if they had a valid reason, they would have stated it. But instead they manufactured 6 different bull**** excuses, culminating in "Manny is too proud" and then "Manny is too insulted"..... come on man, something is not right there. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

There are currently 3 obvious fighters that are better P4P than Manny, but let's just focus on one of them.....
Juan Manuel Marquez is a career featherweight who jumped 4 divisions above his best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter in the world, and yet Manny will not even fight somebody from his own division without a catch-weight.

I just like to offer a little perspective on matters. Sure there are things he could have done differently, but I suspect you would criticise regardless. I don't see anyone in the last three years that's fought better competition and to the standard he has though - so you must be pretty discontented with the sport in general.

Of course, we both know that's not what this is about though. You're a Floyd fan, who feels your own identity is under threat because "your guy" isn't getting the plaudits anymore. You spend every waking second looking for angles and ammunition for the forums - your only place to espouse your life's frustrations.

Wrong. I am not a Mayweather nut-hugger. He has been largely irrelevant for years because of his admission that he only fights for checks, and because he has no respect at all for the ****ty ABC belt system that we all should apparently admire. I was a Mayweather fan before he fought Hernandez, but I started boxing in 1977, so you do the math.

Pitiful behaviour from too many people. The Internet is just a place for nobodies to live out their insecurities, free from accountability.

FACT: In life, you have to be 100% correct before you make that wild assumption, otherwise you are going to pay a serious price for your folly. There are a number of people who have assumed that I am either unprepared or unable to be accountable for my actions
* I am 42yo
* I have been like this all my life
* I will never change, EVER. I say it how I see it, end of story
* those people are no longer an issue

I don't bluff dude, which is why I don't get caught out.

[WESS]

The irony

The good old "I'm a fan but" ploy. Transparent and old hat. We can all play the discrediting game, it's really not difficult.

Especially when Pac didn't even win his WW title AT 147, yet the contradicting hypocrite wants JMM to fight AT 147...

Or when you ask the old question of "What have you done for me lately"?

Martinez: Pavlik (#1 MW), Williams (#2 MW)
Mayweather: Mosley (#1 WW)
Pac: Clottey (#5 WW), Margarito (not ranked)

Do the math mini mouse...

You can be a fan or a follower and have a negative opinion about it. I call it like I see it. You must be one of the "fanboys", do yourself a favor and go school yourself chief. You bring nothing to the table and you have zero creditability.

You're dismissed clown.

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JMM is mad. But props to him, it's his fearlessness and attitude that's keeping the sport alive.

Marquez is a beast, he is willing to walk into a clear mismatch.

I got truckloads of respect for that lil Mexican Warrior.

That is how a true P4P champion should behave. In fact, I just wouldn't expect that out of my guy, no matter who my guy was.

A career-featherweight, past-his-prime, goes up 4 divisions higher than his optimum weight, and takes on the best P4P fighter in the world. And even though he was noticeably slower, and physically out-matched, to the point where he couldn't get his game going and compete with the skills of Mayweather, he still did better than 9/10 of Mayweathers previous opponents.

Now, he's damn near 40yo and he wants to go up to 147 to fight Manny.

He is the gift, that keeps on giving.

Anyone.....

Anywhere....

Anytime.....

What a fkn legend.

Manny on the other hand, won't even fight someone from within his own division without a catch-weight. At JMW, he won't fight anyone from within his own division even with a catch-weight.

And now, Manny will not fight the true P4P legend, unless the fight is at 147.

Manny is not content with the fact that even if the fight was at 140 he would still have every advantage over the much older, and much slower, near 40yo Marquez.

Manny cannot compete with the skills of Marquez, so he wants to gain every possible physical advantage before he will go anywhere near JMM.

P4P ?

Sickening.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

[al-Xander]

Marquez is a beast, he is willing to walk into a clear mismatch.

Oh yeah. Like that one with your idol Mayweather.
Very true, indeed.

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Oh yeah. Like that one with your idol Mayweather.
Very true, indeed.

I can't wait until you whiney little b1tch's are gone

Any idea when that coward Pacquiao will grow some balls?