Comments Thread For: Martinez: I Don't Blame Arum For Protecting Pacquiao

[Kobayashi]

Pacquaio is too small. I rather have Mayweather vs Martinez at 154.

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PAC is not a true JMW, but he is an 8 division titlist.

He's not required to fight Sergio. But, if Sergio wants it, then he needs to put on the sweat suit tomorrow, he'll need all the roadwork he can get to make it to 150, lmao.

I thought that I would have to dredge through pages of rubbish to find a post so ******.

Genius.....

If " PAC is not a true JMW " like you stated.....

..... then how could he possibly be an 8-division titlist ?

I have no respect for you, because the expectations that you have for Manny, are so very low. Manny is no more an 8-division titlist than I am you idiot.

He fought un undeserving mediocre welterweight bum, for a vacant title at JMW, whilst weighing 144

Put your manny-doll down, and give yourself an uppercut.

[jknightx]

Martinez should ...

WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez told krikya360.com that he doesn't blame Bob Arum, CEO of Top Rank, for refusing his catch-weight proposal for a Manny Pacquiao fight. Martinez was willing to fight Pacquiao at 155-pounds, which Arum rejected. Pacquiao holds the WBC title at 154-pounds, but he plans to return to the welterweight division in his next fight.

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I like Martinez but he needs to pick on fighters his own size,Pacquiao couldn't even make the 150lbs and the middle champ is calling him out/ Martinez should start to pick on middle weights and super middle weights since he walks around at 185 when he is not fighting. Maybe call ward out. I would pay to see that fight.

[jknightx]

pa not 154lbs

lol at ppl saying martinez going at small guys pac is 154 if he wants to have a belt defend it stop faking history cotto has the balls to fight martinez but he has unfinished business with chavez and cheato after that then they can fight

Pac already said 154lbs was to heavy for him(he weighed only 148lbs fight night and at weigh in was only 144.5 lbs. He said he was moving back down to welter weight.so he already acknowledged giving up the 154 strap. Martinez 9who I do like) needs to fight 154lbs fighters to 165 lbs fighters9he walks around at 185 when not fighting). I would like to see him call out Ward.

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Honestly bro, I don't need to prove anything to you cuz really you haven't proven anything to me that makes me think that you're a true boxing fan. I think you're a casual a like Floyd nuthugger who now hates on Pac. And, you take what 60 minutes says to heart. A show that is dedicated to casuals more so than hardcores. But, you let them form your opinion which is why you ask these questions.

Bull****. When did that ever happen ?

I strongly contradicted that propaganda, because it was rubbish.

And the reason why I feel that you have something to prove is because you hold such low standards for Manny. Why is that?

As I walk through your post, I will point out when your standards drop below an acceptable level

Your question is idiotic TBH, We already had this conversation bro. One the only people who think Pac is a legit JMW champion is idiots.

It was known before the what was up with the belt. It was known after the fight was up with that belt. Why did perception change? When did it change?

Why do people ignore the fact that before Sergio won team Pac was already saying they were going to vacate that garbage ass belt? And, that he was going back down to 147? This was before Sergio KO'd Martinez. Seriously why do people ignore that?

Correct, Manny is not a genuine JMW champion, well done so far.

"It was known before the what was up with the belt. It was known after the fight was up with that belt. Why did perception change? When did it change?"

It didn't change, what the hell could make you say that?

That fight was always a joke, right from the word go. It was a total joke that Manny "padded" Pacquiao was sanctioned to fight an undeserving mediocre welterweight bum, for a JMW title.

Only a nut-hugging fan-boy could accept that dribble, so answer my question please..... if you are a real boxing fan, then how can you possibly justify that rubbish to yourself, and then state that Manny should not have to defend his title, or even fight an actual JMW?

Your standards plummeted right there, and you are not a true boxing fan.

Why?

Because you apparently concede that Manny's record is padded, and yet you are content to sit back and allow that hype-job to be compared with actual greats. Sorry bro, I love this sport too much to allow that to happen.

I have been a huge fan of boxing for many, many years, and it is extremely frustrating to see history being re-written, and to see the integrity of the sport undermined by lies and hyperbole. The Legends that I used to idolise should not have their accomplishments diminished by that 60 minutes hype, especially not to casual observers that soak that **** up.

Why is it that if Manny is a genuine JMW title holder that he is ducking Martinez? Neither Floyd nor Whitaker were considered ducks for wining a legit JMW title holder and never defending it and going back down? Why is that? Why are rules changing for Pac? Floyd won it, went back down to WW and fought a JWW. Now if Pac did something like that he is ducking Sergio? But, Floyd wasn't ducking no JMW OR MW? WW? Perhaps but JMW? MW? Why when it was known before hand that is one time deal. Just like Pac... Do you see what I am saying?

NO, I don't !!

That whole paragraph is based on the first sentence.....
"Why is it that if Manny is a genuine JMW title holder that he is ducking Martinez?"

He is not a genuine title holder, you already admitted that?

It is a total fkn joke, that Manny won a JMW title, by fighting an undeserving mediocre welterweight bum. It's not about defending, how could you have missed the point..... Manny has never even fought a genuine JMW, and yet he is currently being lauded as an 8-division titlist and therefore the GOAT

It is unbelievable that could be allowed to happen, and that is certainly indicative of the way Manny's career has been masterfully created by Top Rank.

So, there seems to be a distinct pattern emerging, and all of the questions being asked about Manny seem to fall into place.....

* Why will Manny not fight the best in the division?
* Why will Manny not fight a skilled boxer / counter-puncher?
* Why will Manny not fight ANYONE, unless he has an advantage?
* Why will Manny not agree to random blood tests?

So, the point that you made about Manny not being a genuine JMW champion obviously extends to a number of other area's as well.

Manny is not, a lot of things.

So if or if NOT he is a legit 8 times title holder or JMW champion doesn't change the fact that is not a duck if it was known before hand that is a one time deal. That is why neither The Ring or BoxingScene rank him in the top 10 at 154 cuz everybody knew what it was before hand. Do you get it now?

WHO CARES fan-boy?

If you were a real boxing fan, how could you accept the first half of your very own question?

" So if or if NOT he is a legit 8 times title holder or JMW champion doesn't change the fact that is not a duck if it was known before hand that is a one time deal. "

If you were a real boxing fan, your question would have stopped here.....
" So if or if NOT he is a legit 8 times title holder or JMW champion..... "

Why are your standards so low for Manny? How can you accept that rubbish?

Now saying all that. I would answer your ****** question even though I know damn well you won't answer any of my questions nor dispute anything I said. Technically yes he is a JMW title holder, technically he is a 8 division title holder. However, for me personally I don't consider him as much at all. I consider him only a 7 division paper champ and a 4 division real lineal champ. Going into the fight neither Pac nor Marg deserve the WBC JMW title.

I do not disagree with a thing that you said here, except I do not believe that Manny is a 7-division champ either.

When Manny insisted that the Cotto fight be held at 145, he admitted one-of-two things. He either.....

1.) could not compete with Cotto at Miguel's normal weight
or.....
2.) he tried to intentionally weight-drain Cotto to gain an unfair advantage

Well, which one was it?

And there we go again, yet another "controversy" involving Manny Pacquiao that can be added to the list above. That move was hardly P4P worthy, especially after already fighting at the welterweight limit against Hoya.

Yet again the standards drop for Manny. And yet again, you accept it.

Why is that ?

I stand by my earlier comment, and, you have not made one valid point to discredit it. You have actually supported my comment if you re-read your last paragraph.....

FACT:

If Manny is a genuine JMW champion, then he is ducking Sergio Martinez.
Because after all, Manny fights the best in the division, right? yea right.
If Manny is not a genuine JMW champion, then he should not be required to fight Sergio Martinez.

If Manny-fan's had any boxing integrity they would never have accepted the fact that he was going to fight for his 8th divisional title against an undeserving mediocre welterweight bum, and if they had any personal pride or integrity then they would demand that he defend it - yes, against Sergio - for peddling that propaganda rubbish.

Do you really think that Manny's see's himself as a JMW champion ?

Why do you let someone p1ss in your pocket, and then tell you it's raining?

Dont you care? Or is Manny more important ?

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Pac already said 154lbs was to heavy for him(he weighed only 148lbs fight night and at weigh in was only 144.5 lbs. He said he was moving back down to welter weight.so he already acknowledged giving up the 154 strap. Martinez 9who I do like) needs to fight 154lbs fighters to 165 lbs fighters9he walks around at 185 when not fighting). I would like to see him call out Ward.

It is A FKN JOKE, you think that the big JMW Martinez should fight a SMW/LHW, and yet you do not think that Manny should have to fight an actual JMW, even though he is apparently a JMW champion

Your standards for Manny are also extremely low, why is that?

[TuRoK'em]

Well, Floyd's justification for fighting JMM was that he was the number 2 p4p guy and he beat him easilyu, so how is that fair when JMM was a career featherweight?

I mean......really, how many guys above the weight of 160 are on the "P4P" list anyways? All the best guys at 168 are on Showtime and locked inbto this tourney now. Dude came up from 154, is he gonna fight someone at 175 or 185 plus? I think not....

That is the issue with the p4p rankings, it only works for smaller guys fighting bigger guys, not the other way around unfortunately.

ok then he should fight pirog

[jltsmae]

Manny Pacquiao is what keeps crime down in the Phillipines so if he loses, Pinoys won't know what to do with themselves. That's why we got guys like Ronnie writing articles of why Pacquiao doesn't need to fight the most dangerous guys out there.

on the day of the fight

[jltsmae]

love pac-serge for the 154 belt... gogogo...

[dan-b]

I thought that I would have to dredge through pages of rubbish to find a post so ******.

Genius.....

If " PAC is not a true JMW " like you stated.....

..... then how could he possibly be an 8-division titlist ?

I have no respect for you, because the expectations that you have for Manny, are so very low. Manny is no more an 8-division titlist than I am you idiot.

He fought un undeserving mediocre welterweight bum, for a vacant title at JMW, whilst weighing 144

Put your manny-doll down, and give yourself an uppercut.

You're a loser and a nobody. Most people, including me, don't recognise alphabet straps. I also know that mediocre welterweight bum would put you in a casket, with the state picking up the bill because no one loves or cares about you.