Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather?

[The Big Dunn]

since both are and will always be considered better than wlad, I'm happy.

[Ganondorf]

since both are and will always be considered better than wlad, I'm happy.

Big D I got excited for a minute and thought you were going to validate some of my points. Lol I was wrong. I enjoy reading your posts when they are not about Wlad.

[gamefrk]

I think the results of this poll are ridiculous. The argument that Manny fought guys that Floyd didn't holds a little water to some degree, but there are a couple things to keep in mind.
1. Sure Manny fought Erik Morales, but he also was dominated more or less by Erik's jab. He did win the other Morales fight though showing some ability to adjust. Too bad he didn't adjust during the actual fight.

2. Manny fought some guys that Floyd is accused of ducking, ie Margarito, Clottey, etc. but weren't at least some of these guys Bob Arum fighters? Does anybody think Tony would really be able to handle Floyd's speed? Margarito is way too slow. I know Clottey and Cotto had a good fight but against Manny, Clottey just wanted to block all day. I don't think that would have gotten the job done against Floyd. I give these arguments about as much merit as I would give the argument that Manny didn't fight Genaro, Chico, or Castillo twice. As far as common opponents, Manny did get rid of a faded Hatton faster than Floyd, but certainly that wasn't the undefeated Hatton that showed up for Floyd when the MGM ran out of beer. In my opinion Manny lost at least 3 of the JMM fights, FMJ won 120-108. None of this is relevant to me.

3. I would close by just stating that Floyd has officially never been beat. There may be a vague blueprint on how to beat Floyd, but so far nobody has gotten the job done. Manny has been officially beat many times and unofficially many more. The margin of this poll for Manny astounds me.

We all know Floyd's speed would have been an advantage against both these guys, but still he has his hands full with Maidana who doesn't possess quick hands. The difference between Manny & Floyd is that Manny actually fights guys like Margarito, Clottey but Floyd..well..didn't.

There's no point in calling Hatton a faded fighter when Pacquiao KO'd him. Floyd keeps saying that Manny fights his leftovers (like Hatton), the same can be said about Cotto & Marquez. Going by Floyd's logic it wouldn't be unfair to call Cotto & Marquez leftovers or faded fighters from their fights with Pacquiao (Manny knocked Cotto down twice while he went a full 12 rounds with Floyd, who's to say that Marquez wasn't a faded fighter after being knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao?). 'In your opinion' Manny lost all his fights against Marquez, but lets not forget Floyd's fights against Castillo.

You may say that Floyd won all rounds against Marquez, but then again if you're comparing opponents..Pacquiao dominated Cotto + Oscar De La Hoya & KO'd Hatton in 2.

I don't see why the poll results astound you. Manny definitely gets the legacy, Mayweather gets all the money in boxing.

[Daylyt]

Manny Pacquaio hands down.

[Ganondorf]

We all know Floyd's speed would have been an advantage against both these guys, but still he has his hands full with Maidana who doesn't possess quick hands. The difference between Manny & Floyd is that Manny actually fights guys like Margarito, Clottey but Floyd..well..didn't.

There's no point in calling Hatton a faded fighter when Pacquiao KO'd him. Floyd keeps saying that Manny fights his leftovers (like Hatton), the same can be said about Cotto & Marquez. Going by Floyd's logic it wouldn't be unfair to call Cotto & Marquez leftovers or faded fighters from their fights with Pacquiao (Manny knocked Cotto down twice while he went a full 12 rounds with Floyd, who's to say that Marquez wasn't a faded fighter after being knocked down 4 times by Pacquiao?). 'In your opinion' Manny lost all his fights against Marquez, but lets not forget Floyd's fights against Castillo.

You may say that Floyd won all rounds against Marquez, but then again if you're comparing opponents..Pacquiao dominated Cotto + Oscar De La Hoya & KO'd Hatton in 2.

I don't see why the poll results astound you. Manny definitely gets the legacy, Mayweather gets all the money in boxing.

Ok, let me try to hit these points. You really thought Maidana was doing something spectacular in that fight? Most of his shots were glazing and the harder, more eye-catching shots were landed by Floyd. Sure I gave Chino a few rounds. Floyd is a human who takes a couple of rounds to figure you out. Chino did better than I expected, but Floyd has had much tougher fights.

In reference to Cheato and Clottey, I mentioned these were Top Rank guys for a reason. Floyd and Arum DONT DO BUSINESS. I was under the impression that this was well understood by now. If they did, we would have seen Floyd vs Manny in like 08. Greedy Bob.

Again, with the Hatton thing, I have a question for you. Do you think Hatton had more confidence when he was 40 something and 0, and the undefeated pride of the UK after just stopping Kostya Tzsyu? Or was he more dangerous and sure of himself showing up for his 2nd biggest fight, knowing he ran head first into a ring post in the first?

As for Cotto, Manny fought Cotto in the same time span as Floyd fought Marquez. At that time Cotto was a top rank fighter. Bob kept all the money as is customary. Manny dominated Cotto and I give him credit for doing so. Now your argument appears to be that after Cotto left TR and finally fought Floyd (in a great effort) that he was not the fighter he was against Manny. Maybe, Maybe not. There was a period where Cotto was on a downslide but isn't he the Middleweight Champion of the world now? It's hard to compare versions of Miguel Cotto. I guess he wasn't washed up after a Manny after all.

I can't believe you even brought Oscar up. They both fought older versions of Oscar except Floyd fought the 154 version coming off a stoppage of Ricardo Mayorga. Manny fought an obviously weight drained 147 version of Oscar that didn't even look healthy.

The poll shows about a 4-1 edge for Manny. That, to me, is astounding.

[soul_survivor]

I can't believe this thread is still on going and Manny is winning...3 times over LOL

Must make Larry so mad

[gamefrk]

Ok, let me try to hit these points. You really thought Maidana was doing something spectacular in that fight? Most of his shots were glazing and the harder, more eye-catching shots were landed by Floyd. Sure I gave Chino a few rounds. Floyd is a human who takes a couple of rounds to figure you out. Chino did better than I expected, but Floyd has had much tougher fights.

In reference to Cheato and Clottey, I mentioned these were Top Rank guys for a reason. Floyd and Arum DONT DO BUSINESS. I was under the impression that this was well understood by now. If they did, we would have seen Floyd vs Manny in like 08. Greedy Bob.

Again, with the Hatton thing, I have a question for you. Do you think Hatton had more confidence when he was 40 something and 0, and the undefeated pride of the UK after just stopping Kostya Tzsyu? Or was he more dangerous and sure of himself showing up for his 2nd biggest fight, knowing he ran head first into a ring post in the first?

As for Cotto, Manny fought Cotto in the same time span as Floyd fought Marquez. At that time Cotto was a top rank fighter. Bob kept all the money as is customary. Manny dominated Cotto and I give him credit for doing so. Now your argument appears to be that after Cotto left TR and finally fought Floyd (in a great effort) that he was not the fighter he was against Manny. Maybe, Maybe not. There was a period where Cotto was on a downslide but isn't he the Middleweight Champion of the world now? It's hard to compare versions of Miguel Cotto. I guess he wasn't washed up after a Manny after all.

I can't believe you even brought Oscar up. They both fought older versions of Oscar except Floyd fought the 154 version coming off a stoppage of Ricardo Mayorga. Manny fought an obviously weight drained 147 version of Oscar that didn't even look healthy.

The poll shows about a 4-1 edge for Manny. That, to me, is astounding.

You should ask the Money team what was so spectacular about Maidana-Mayweather & why Floyd is making the rematch happen.

I know that Clottey & Margarito were Top Rank fighters. But it was Floyd who turned down an $8mil offer down from Bob Arum to fight Margarito & instead became a free agent AFTER denying the offer by paying $750K to Arum.

Your 3rd paragraph is your weakest argument. Hatton fought Tzsyu in 2005 & Floyd in 2007. Hatton KO'd Castillo before coming into the Floyd fight not Tzsyu. Nonetheless Hatton came into the Floyd fight supremely confident yet he got check hooked into the ring post. This is the fight game/hurt business & fighters take up fights only when they're confident, lets not pretend it's otherwise..it's their health that's at risk (like Floyd advocates). Hatton came into the Floyd fight confident & lost..he should have come in with even more confidence for the Pacquiao fight given that he KO'd Malignaggi previously + given that Pacquiao was MUCH smaller than Floyd & himself. Hatton had more of a chance to win against the smaller Pacquiao than over Floyd. Given your logic Manny's win over Brandon Rios should be one of the best/most impressive wins in all of boxing given that Manny was coming back from Marquez KO'ing him out COLD in the last fight.

Canelo wouldn't have ANY edge over Floyd had the fight been made at 154lbs instead of 152, similarly Oscar wouldn't have been able to handle Manny's speed any better had the fight been at 154.

Legacy = Manny (hands down)
Money + Record Numbers = Floyd

[Ganondorf]

You should ask the Money team what was so spectacular about Maidana-Mayweather & why Floyd is making the rematch happen.

I know that Clottey & Margarito were Top Rank fighters. But it was Floyd who turned down an $8mil offer down from Bob Arum to fight Margarito & instead became a free agent AFTER denying the offer by paying $750K to Arum.

Your 3rd paragraph is your weakest argument. Hatton fought Tzsyu in 2005 & Floyd in 2007. Hatton KO'd Castillo before coming into the Floyd fight not Tzsyu. Nonetheless Hatton came into the Floyd fight supremely confident yet he got check hooked into the ring post. This is the fight game/hurt business & fighters take up fights only when they're confident, lets not pretend it's otherwise..it's their health that's at risk (like Floyd advocates). Hatton came into the Floyd fight confident & lost..he should have come in with even more confidence for the Pacquiao fight given that he KO'd Malignaggi previously + given that Pacquiao was MUCH smaller than Floyd & himself. Hatton had more of a chance to win against the smaller Pacquiao than over Floyd. Given your logic Manny's win over Brandon Rios should be one of the best/most impressive wins in all of boxing given that Manny was coming back from Marquez KO'ing him out COLD in the last fight.

Canelo wouldn't have ANY edge over Floyd had the fight been made at 154lbs instead of 152, similarly Oscar wouldn't have been able to handle Manny's speed any better had the fight been at 154.

Legacy = Manny (hands down)
Money + Record Numbers = Floyd

Thank you for your response. First, let me clarify that I'm totally aware of the time that elapsed between Hatton fighting Tszyu, and Hatton fighting Mayweather. I was living in England at the time of the Tszyu fight, where were you? Unfortunately I didn't get to make it out that night so we watched it live on Sky. The funniest thing was the boisterous British crowd holding up signs that said "ITS GOING TO COSTYA TSZYU!" What an ugly affair that turned out to be, too.

Again, you said Floyd chose to give Bob Arum 750K for the satisfaction of not giving that crook another penny in his life unless he chooses to? Doesn't sound like such a "weak argument" to me. Ok, pal my intention was not to get into a pissing contest about Bob Arum. Everybody knew Rios wasn't ready for Manny but WTF does that have to do with this? Are you implying Floyd ducked Rios? Lmao

Lastly, what does Canelo's weight have to do with Oscar not being able to deal with Manny's speed? You totally lost me with that one, bro.

[gamefrk]

Thank you for your response. First, let me clarify that I'm totally aware of the time that elapsed between Hatton fighting Tszyu, and Hatton fighting Mayweather. I was living in England at the time of the Tszyu fight, where were you? Unfortunately I didn't get to make it out that night so we watched it live on Sky. The funniest thing was the boisterous British crowd holding up signs that said "ITS GOING TO COSTYA TSZYU!" What an ugly affair that turned out to be, too.

Again, you said Floyd chose to give Bob Arum 750K for the satisfaction of not giving that crook another penny in his life unless he chooses to? Doesn't sound like such a "weak argument" to me. Ok, pal my intention was not to get into a pissing contest about Bob Arum. Everybody knew Rios wasn't ready for Manny but WTF does that have to do with this? Are you implying Floyd ducked Rios? Lmao

Lastly, what does Canelo's weight have to do with Oscar not being able to deal with Manny's speed? You totally lost me with that one, bro.

I wasn't in England when Hatton fought Castillo..

I still find that argument as weak. Paying off $750K not to fight Margarito, heh.

You say Rios wasn't ready for Pacquiao? That version of Pacquiao that Marquez iced/literally put to sleep? The same can be said about Pacquiao, that he wasn't ready for Rios coming back from the most devastating loss of his career. The same can be said for Maidana, how is he ready for Floyd? How is Maidana any different from Rios? Both are come forward relentless pressure fighters with good power and chin. And no I wasn't implying that Floyd is ducking Rios, dunno how you got there.

You mentioned Oscar didn't look healthy at 147 against Manny, it was the same with Canelo@152 against Floyd. The point which you missed was that both Floyd and Manny have made the other guy fight at a catch weight.. But the outcome of their fights wouldn't have been any different if the catch weight didn't exist. Manny and Floyd would have beaten Canelo/Oscar either way.

For a moment let's assume that you're right about everything you say about Floyd.. Manny still leaves a better/more interesting legacy. 20-30 years after both these guys retire and if I were to buy a DVD containing the entire career of either of these guys.. I'd buy the Manny DVD in a heartbeat.. I'd watch it over and over again and still not get bored.

When it comes to money making and business sense, Floyd will always be light years ahead of any other fighter. Legacy wise there are loads of other fighters who trump Floyd (I won't name any since this is off topic).

Money = Floyd
Legacy = Manny

[-MARKAVELLI-]

HAHAHA the poll... the poll!!!

Floyds legacy is shlt compared to Pacquiao... add that Floyd will be called a pvssy, duck and a coward for the rest of his life! His children would definitely avoid going out with him.